PLEASE READ EVERYTHING HERE (INCLUDING THE COMMENTS) AND KEEP VISITING FOR UPDATES.
The University Grants Commission (UGC) has increased the Junior and Senior Research Fellowships (JRF/SRF) to 18000 and 21000 Rupees per month respectively and it will be applicable retrospectively from September 1, 2009. The YFE in JNU campus on 19 December, 2009 put up the following wall poster congratulating the student community: an RTI reply from the UGC [F. No.12-20/2009 RTI/(SA-1)] confirming the increase in fellowships.
The RTI reply from the concerned department in UGC is in Hindi language. It also answers some questions apart from the fellowship amount increase. The UGC had earlier indicated that the increase will be 16000 and 20000 Rupees per month. So this increase is a pleasant surprise to students. This increase does not relate to the CSIR, Rajiv Gandhi National Fellowships, DBT or ICMR but sooner or later it all fellowships should be at par. Here is a snapshot of the RTI reply captured from the YFE poster. Also see the update below (this is yet to be approved by the Finance Ministry).
Update: 22 Dec 2009
The following news piece in Hindi Hindustan (Delhi edition) says the increment is awaiting approval in the Finance Ministry and it has been three months. It also says that CSIR (and other bodies like the DST, ICMR) will increase the JRF/SRF amount to 18000 and 21000 Rupees once it is approved for the UGC. [Update: by Hindi Hindustan I mean the Hindustan dainik Hindi newspaper of the Hindustan Times group. I wrote Hindi Hindustan so that people do not confuse it with the Hindustan Times English paper. See the comments criticizing me here]
UPDATE 21 January 2010: Cabinet approves seat increase for JRF through CSIR NET.
“Increase in the Junior Research Fellowship (JRF) through CSIR-UGC National Eligibility Test (NET) by two fold over the Tenth Plan period. During the Tenth Five Year Plan a total of about 6000 young students benefited by availing CSIR-JRF through NET. In the Eleventh Plan CSIR proposes to increase the number by two fold. The total cost of providing fellowships for about 12000 students in the Eleventh Plan is estimated at Rs.444.34 crore.” Read the full report in this PIB release.
UPDATE 11 FEB 2010: UGC CHAIRMAN CONFIRMS IT IN A JNU PUBLIC MEETING
Here is some solid news for on this. Yesterday the law minister was in JNU Campus with JNU VC and UGC Chairman S.K. Thorat in a public meeting in SSS auditorium in JNU campus attended by about 500 students. Amit Ranjan, the YFE activist in JNU, publicly asked this question to the Mr. Thorat on whether or not the UGC is increasing the fellowship amount to 18000 and 21000 Rupees along with a copy of the UGC RTI reply published above. The UGC Chairman said the RTI reply is authentic and the increase will soon be implemented once the approval letter comes from the Finance Ministry. He also said that he will phone/update the JNU VC on 11 February 2010 about it. He even said that the UGC Non-NET Fellowships (of 3k, 5k Rupees for M.phil PhD students) may be increased to 5k and 8k Rupees respectively.
Please note that it is about UGC and not CSIR but needless to say sooner or later it will be implemented everywhere (as indicated the HT news item above). Also Amit Ranjan and others have filed scores of RTIs to various bodies on this; keep watching this space and blog for updates.
Update: UGC Replies to RTI queries ,11 Feb 2010.
See the snspshots below. UGC in the RTI replies has informed that the “fellowship increment announced is pending due to allocation of funds by the Ministry of HRD.” There are some other questions too but the UGC has not replied to them as you can see below.The UGC replies are in the column on the right hand side (blank meaning no reply).
Update: News in Hindustan (Hindi) published 16 February 2010
See the snapshot of the news item on JRF-SRF increase below. Madan Jaida of HT (the earlier HT news item above is also by him) writes that the JRF SRF fellowship increase is caught in the files due to non-allotment of funds in the MHRD.
DG, CSIR meets students
Update: 10 March 2010. Scroll down and see the comments below. You must read all the debates and discussion here in the comments.
See this 4 MB PDF file
Update: March 17, 2010: See the 4MB PDF files (scanned papers; mostly RTIs replies). Click here to view the google doc.
Update: DST revieses emoluments and guidelines
Click here to see the pdf (office memorandum dated 31 March 2010). Also see this Physical Research Laboratory (PRL) memorandum dated 30 April 2010 on JRF SRF enhancement.
Update: ICMR Notification 11 June 2010
Please see this ICMR JRF notification dated 11 June 2010 on the JRF/SRF fellowship increase.
Update: DAE notification
Please click here to see the DAE notification on fellowship revision dated 30 June 2010.
Update: DBT Notification
See the Department of Biotechnology notification on revision of emoluments to JRF, SRF and others dated 09.07.2010 which endorses the DST OM dated 31.03.2010.
Update: UGC fellowship increased pending with MHRD
See this RTI reply dated 8 July 2010 by UGC for more addressed to IIT student Malish.
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Hurray.
but how long will it take for sanction by finance department?
do we have to wait and watch?
Hello, thank you for all the information you have put in. I appreciate your efforts and want to know about current status . Is govt. serious about increasing JRF or these Promises are just a pie in sky. Who in this country will be able to do quality research with peanuts paid in return? Can ‘t a country like India afford to give a decent and legitimate scholarship to its researchers who will do a research for development of country ?Is it justifiable that a even a school teacher is paid much more than a PhD student who have cleared UGC JRF by putting in his heart and soul into it.
Thanks,
Regards,
GK
ICMR increased and circular came to all ICMR institutes
see it
http://icmr.nic.in/circular/2010/21.pdf
Amit,
I think the best policy is to wait and watch.
Sir,
I have selected for CSIR fellowship.And I use to know that CSIR is better than UGC. Then why the stipend of UGC has increased but not for CSIR fellows.Then what is benefit of gating CSIR. It is better to get UGC. This is absolutely unfair. GOV. should think about this mater. If they do not have fund then they increase it to 14000 from 12000. And it should be same for all…
How much time was taken earlier at the time of earlier Increment?…i think that can provide some clue about the hike……of fellowship………..wait and watch
If this is a matter of increment of Salary or perks of illiterate,less eduacted currupt politician, it could have approved immediately by all department of govt of india. How bad luck of india , a research fellow paid less than what a paanwala or rickshaw pullaer of daily wager earn in a month.. keep it up guys !!!
Ashish,
Your anger is justified but to say that daily wagers and paanwalas and rickshaw pullers have more than 12 or 14 k Rupees in a month is a bit too much!
hey vikas
i dont have any ideas about the wages earned by paanwala or rickshaw pullers but just visit the csir homepage and look for the remuneration link in the RTI section. u can clearly see how much depriver we really are
as the drivers and grade IV staffs are earning significntly higher than us.
Okay Surajit,
I read the said portion. Here is an extract from the page on the remuneration of some lower-level employees! http://www.csir.res.in/External/Utilities/Frames/aboutcsir/main_page.asp?a=topframe.htm&b=leftcon.htm&c=/csir/external/heads/aboutcsir/information_act.htm
Impressive salaries indeed. Thanks for the suggestion.
1909 MR RAMU Safaiwala 14411
3118 MR D S RAWAT WATCHMEN 13879
3119 MR RAM KUMAR SAFAIWALA 12678
3120 MR BHAJAN SINGH BEERER 13824
3121 MR HARI RAM WATCHMEN 14214
3163 MR RICH PAL SAFAIWALA 16057
Why are u worried about others increment just wit 4 ur turn…Gods willing your day will come…..
THESE ARE ANOTHER EVIDENCES….LOOK AT THE PAY SCALE OF A TEA MAKER….
839 Sh Narender Singh TEA MAKER 18793
840 Sh Om Prakash BEARER 15288
843 Sh Sabar Singh ASSTT. COOK 14676
ITS JUST NOT FARE WITH THE RESEARCH SCHOLARS….RESEARCHERS GIVE A LOT AND GET A SMALLLLL….AND MOST EMPLOYEE GIVE SMALL GET A LOT…………
I think and positively hope it will start in 2010..
Arindum is right , we need to think positive and hope for best in 2010 !!!
Hi!
i am working as a project associate level -1 in a CSIR-network project in CCMB. after completion of my Ph.D. Is this fellowship increase applicable to RA, PDF and Project associate.
Kindly inform.
Regards
yours sincerely
i am working as a project associate level -1 in a CSIR-network project in CCMB. after completion of my Ph.D. Is this fellowship increase applicable to RA, PDF and Project associate.
Kindly inform.
Regards
yours sincerely
Neelima,
Whatever info I have put it up there. I will update it if I know anything new (or leave a link here if you know something).
Meanwhile what you can do is file an RTI to CSIR for more details (and for most authentic information). If you do not know how to file an RTI application then read this post: http://vikas-gupta.in/2009/01/16/how-to-file-an-rti-petition/
sir i have cleared UGC/CSIR NET as L.S in december 2009, i want to know the procedure how to apply to DST jrf scholarship that is applicable to L.S also ,,,please please help
It feels good to hear the news of hike of salary.Lets hope it is implimented as soon as poosible.
Please give the latest information about the payment hike of research scholars.
I do not have any information to update here. Feel free to submit an RTI to UGC/CSIR (see comments above on how to file an RTI application).
Is there will be any problem if I submit RTI to UGC/CSIR in future regarding my fellowship?
Ranjit,
Why will there be any problem? Feel free to ask any question to them. But if you are still worried you can use a friend’s name or pseudonym and ask the fellowship question in general. All the best.
Government to revise value of doctoral fellowships: PM
“The government is considering the revision of the value of doctoral and post-doctoral fellowships. New schemes will be formulated to cover all research scholars with some funding support,” Manmohan Singh said at the inaugural of the Indian Science Congress (ISC2010) here.
http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3515448
Thanks Rajesh for the link and the update!
Is it realy applicable to CSIR-SRF only the ugc.
yes… finaly it is a good hope for research schplar
yes. it will be very good news for research scholars
is this hike in stipend applicable only for those who have cleared net and get their fellowship from csir or ugc?I am doing my phd at a research institute and have been admitted through other all india exams
Oindrila,
It is presently only for the UGC, then other bodies will implement it. You can file an RTI application with your organisation if you want more authentic info.
Everyone here, there is an update. The Cabinet today approved the seat increase for JRF through CSIR NET and it will be now increased to 12000 from the present 6000. Read the full report here http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=57139
Here is the full text:
Hello,
is this increament also applicable 4 CSIR Jrf?
It should soon be implemented in all agencies. Please read the full text and comments again.
whether ugc increasing number of fellowships\fellowship amount i.e from 12000 to 18000 for jrf?
cabinet approved only increase in intake of JRF-NET fellowships or hike in fellowship amount?
Sudhakar,
Please read everything here. I know only what i have published here. If I have any updates I will write it here. Thanks.
i am doing phd in metallurgy. is this 6th pay increment applicable for us also?
Just an UPDATE for everyone:
Few days ago I got an RTI reply from JNU administration. They do not have any official communication about the UGC fellowship increase as yet.
A ‘friend and senior with contacts’ says “it has been approved by both the MHRD and Finance ministry” and sooner or later it will be there.
Some students will soon file an RTI with UGC. If any of you filed an RTI with UGC or CSIR, do write updates here.
you from JNU vikas? I would like to know more about this finance ministry approval thingy…
Rajat,
Yes that is so.
And I do not have any concrete info on what you asked. I have written whatever I know in the content and comments here. Thanks.
What fuck is this,
You got a printout and spread it all over India. And how full are those phd scholars who have accepted this . “Hindi Hindustan” what kind of news paper is this. Your fucking information doesn’t have any authenticity. You just want to get publicity for your fuck-in blog. Piss on you man. And on your information. Government is thinking of increasing the fellowship .It generally takes years . You people are telling it is already implemented. And you know the exact amount. If this was true then PM would have declared it in Indian Science congress meeting.
Go to hell
I agree with you Bakwas. In most of the iit and Nit people believing this piece of shit. Which doesn’t have a name. People were telling it was Hindustan Times. Now I come to know it ‘Hindi Hindusta’. We never heard of a news paper with this name. Shame on you Vikash. You played with thousand of scholars.
Rajiv
Rajiv and Bakwas,
This is RTI reply from UGC (fully authentic official reply).
The Hindi Hindustan is Hindustan Dainik newspaper; I culled it from the epaper; . Feel free to criticize me. I am not seeking any publicity here. The CSIR increase in number of fellowships was implemented recently. The govt programmes do take time; why not wait and see instead of criticizing me here.
Bakwas and others,
By Hindi Hindustan I mean the Hindustan dainik Hindi newspaper of the Hindustan Times group. I wrote Hindi Hindustan so that people do not confuse it with the Hindustan Times English paper.
http://epaper.hindustandainik.com/ Go see the piece of news which I have reproduced here in the 22 Dec newspaper. Or talk to Madan Jaida by calling the Hindustan’s office. (the epaper does not have the 22 Dec archieve now; but you can see the hard copy of the paper in your library).
The news is authentic; believe it or not. Implementation will take time of course like all govt. schemes. According to reliable reports, this reporter Madan Jaida was even with Kapil Sibal in a high-profile meeting and had asked it to him. I will soon publish more RTIs here from the YFE activists. Feel free to criticize me more and do not hesitate to write your real names.
And I am also waiting for the increase FYI! So do not think that I do not feel frustrated about the delay.
informations by Vikas are real and people should unite and support him rather than doing Bakwas/uncivilized talking
Thank you Vivek for the comment. Every piece of info here is authentic. I do not fear criticism and will never delete bad comments (I hate censorship).
Thanks again.
HOW MANY JRF’S INCREASED?
Research is the key for update knowledge in all spheres of education if it stops it will definitely paralize the whole system of gaining knowledge. The fellowships (monthly stippened) provided by the UGC/CSIR in the field of science & humanities is not up to the expectations of the scholars working in different field because there is sufficient reason, viz., if you go through the monthly salaries of primary-secondary schools teachers; and other less qualified job holders have more salary than the prestigious JRF/SRf with NET. If the stippen increases the fellows get more enthu in doing their research. There are Scholars from poor families in rural oriented Universities who has to met the requirements of their family from this stippen, all these things should be in mind before taking any dicission by the Minstry of Finance. Implimentation is nessesary.
Thanks
ministers give great lectures about research but never do anything for this field.a group D staff gets much better pay.no one can live like Gautam Buddha in these days where a kg of dal costs around 130.
To the Indian Government—-
ab to kuch karo yaar…..students are our future and research is the only path.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News/newdelhi/Researchers-to-get-money-equal-to-IAS-entrants/Article1-444409.aspx
Most of you have read this news
People who did not read it; please go to the above link and you can read the news about the fellowship increment which was published on 18th August 2009. Hey Rajiv you must read it.
Thanks for the link Kriss. I had written about it in the post without the link to prevent confusion because now it should soon be 18 k and 21 k Rupees though people here are cursing me!
hey friends plz tell which is truth is it increased or not
can u tell me when the increased fellowship will be implemented?
Atul and others,
I have no idea on the dates of implementation. It will take time just like all govt. schemes.
UPDATE 11 FEB 2010
Here is some solid news for us. Yesterday the law minister was in JNU Campus with JNU VC and UGC Chairman S.K. Thorat. Amit Ranjan, the YFE activist in JNU, publicly asked this question to the Mr. Thorat on whether or not the UGC is increasing the fellowship amount to 18000 and 21000 Rupees along with a copy of the UGC RTI reply published above. The UGC Chairman said the RTI reply is authentic and the increase will soon be implemented once the approval letter comes from the Finance Ministry. He also said that he will phone/update the JNU VC on 11 February 2010 about it. He even said that the UGC Non-NET Fellowships (of 3k, 5k Rupees for M.phil PhD students) may be increased to 5k and 8k Rupees respectively.
Please note that it is about UGC and not CSIR but needless to say sooner or later it will be implemented everywhere (as indicated the HT news item above).
Thanks Vikas for new updates.
Surely fellowship will increased as you mentioned. I have news published on 29 th JAN 2009. as follow
http://www.thehindu.com/2010/01/29/stories/2010012955051100.htm
Research fellowships to be increased
Special Correspondent
NEW DELHI: The Centre plans to give a boost to research in basic science by increasing the number of research fellowships and fellowship money for scholars.
Secretary of Department of Science and Technology T. Ramasami said the government was planning to increase the quantum of research fellowships by at least 40 per cent………………..Thanks a lot.
Thanks Ashok for the link.
what is the date u r xpecting , vikas???
before april ??
this page is a good job , dude.
keep it up.
Indian, I have no idea on that but yes it should not take later than April. Keep visiting this page. Am soon publishing an RTI reply here.
Update: UGC Replies to RTI queries ,11 Feb 2010.
See the snspshots added above. UGC in the RTI replies has informed that the “fellowship increment announced is pending due to allocation of funds by the Ministry of HRD.”
All those who have criticized me can go fly a kite!
More RTI replies will be here soon.
how much time will the finance minister take to implement it?
How much would be Research Associate (RA) fellowship? Any authentic news on that?
Normally they give Rs.18000/- fellowship to RA and with 50% increase (for JRF and SRF they have given 50% rise) shall we believe it to be around 27000 + HRA? Can anybody confirm about this?
i am a srf working for DBT project. does this increment relates to phd scholars or srfs/RAs working for CSIR/DBT projects in research institutions.
thank you for updating information
Nice Webpage.!! All material is linked with authentic citation: A true sign of true research scholar.!!
Thanks for uploading these news.
Thanks Amit. I had people criticizing me here just the same!
Hi! I want to know that the fellowship hike is 18,000 + HRA or HRA is included in that
Prasad, it does not include HRA, needless to say.
I work as JRF under BRNS sponsered research project. Will the hike in salary be applicable to me. Please let me know….
Praveen,
Presently it is only the UGC but it will soon spread to all other organizations/bodies once it is implemented at the UGC. Feel free to file an RTI to your organization for more information.
Great, thanks for such a wonderful information.
I think in 26th feb budget session they can anounced for the fund, what you think Vikas.
Dear Vikas,
Thanks for informations with nice updates. I confused with news of hindustan times updated at 16th Feb 2010. In news Mrs. Raksha Pahwa is represent as the Under Secretary of Finanace Ministry. But as I know She is the Under Secretary of UGC (Selection and Award Bureau). So Hindustan Times news seems not to be reliable.
Manoj,
You are right; I have also noted that error. The article is genuine and real. Madan Zaida must have written it in a hurry!
Naveen, I have no ideas on that.
I think we can only wait and watch.
Usually how much time will it take for the implementation of salary by other agencies like DST or DAE after UGC implements the new salary scale.
Ab to wait krne ki intha ho gyi h…….plz plz plz koi btao kb badhegi fellowship…
Hi all…..
can anyone please help me with my problem…….I have applied for PhD. at delhi university but have not received my registration letter as yet. But my date of Availing JRF has expired. Although the date on which I had applied to Delhi University falls under the period of availing JRF.
I am really confused and worried about what will happen to my JRF award. Do I still have a chance to avail my JRF???
Please somebody help.
Dear Gaurav, If you applied for funds before expiry date then your JRF award is safe. It will take 3-4 month for saction letter from csir/UGC after that they will send you sanction letter and your fellowship will start. But if you are in delay and applied for fellowship after expiry date then there is quite less chance of activate your fellowship.
If you are CSIR -JRF awardee please contact to CSIR 01125721074.
This number where you can ask about ur fellowchip if ur CSIR fellow.
Thanks
Dear Ashok
Many thanks for your reply. I could not apply to the funds before as I do not have a official registration date.but I have submitted a letter to UGC requesting to keep my JRF alive till the time I get my registration letter from Delhi University. But after that I am not getting any feedback from UGC as what happened to that my request, is my jrf still active.
What to do now….I am confused.
And one more question does anyone has idea about difference in date of registration and date of Joining.
Thanks
it was mention on that result that jrfship will be aplicable till 2 year from that date resut is declared. And the difference between registration and joining date is that u may get registered at ugc after it you join for phd in any university…..mean you can get registered only if you join…..your joining date is not your date of registration….
Dear Gaurav,
I believe the Ph. D. registration and JRFship are two different things. Ideally, CSIR has nothing to do with ur Ph.D. Anyone who has been awarded the fellowship, have to avail the fellowship with the given period of time by CSIR. I donno why have not availed the fellowship even when u were not having registration letter. To do that, it is the ‘joining letter’ that u have to forward to CSIR with PI’s signature.
University will send u a letter that u have been given admission to Ph.D. The date that they will mention on that is ‘date of registration’. but again, CSIR has nothing to do with that, U should have availed the fellowship long back, 6 months are given to the fellow to send the ‘joining letter’. If u r in Delhi, talk to someone in CSIR regarding, see if they can help.
Plz update us here with ur experience as such information may be useful to others.
Thanks Amit for clarifying my doubts……things look a bit clear now and will surely update about the my experience.
i feel if UGC has increased the fellowship, y the hell is CSIR takin so much time.. the exam is conducted jointly by both and the in the result we do not get an option as to we would like to b a CSIR fellow or a UGC fellow.. so both the organizations need to work simultaneously and the proposals should be the same.. and CSIR pl do somethin fast..
Dear Gaurav, Amit is saying correct. There is no relationship between your fellowship and registration. You have to send joining report to CSIR in replicated and your finance department will take care of all these things. You have to send your joining report to CSIR before expiry date and make sure that your joining report has been summited on the time by your finance office to CSIR.
Hope your problem will solve as soon as possible.
All the best for future carrier.
God bless you Always !!!
Its the Budget day today… Atleast will we know today whether the fellowships will be increased or not…
In budget 2010, there are nothing about Fellowship increament, it won’t increase. This is fact about fellowship. We have to wait for 2-4 years.
Finally a ray of light may come in research scholars life, follow this link, you can get some good news.
http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=58268
Printer friendly page With Banner | Without Banner Wednesday, February 24, 2010
Ministry of Human Resource Development
Government steps to make teaching attractive
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17:35 IST
LOK SABHA
While the power to make appointments to the teaching posts in a Central University vests in its Board of Management/Executive Council, the Government keeps on reminding the Central Universities to fill the vacancies at an early date. The Government/UGC is taking the following measures aimed at attracting the bright young people to adopt teaching in higher education as a career vis-à-vis the opportunity available to them in view of the emerging sectors of economy, thereby managing the teaching positions at various levels:
• Enhancing rates of Junior and Senior Research Fellowships by about 50%;
• Strengthening science based education and research in Universities;
• Disbursement of grant for presentation of research papers in international fora/conferences;
• Enhancing the quantum of research grant to Universities aimed at encouraging research;
• Introducing Ramanujan Fellowship to attract distinguished Indian faculty serving in foreign Universities;
• Introducing Bose Fellowship aimed at strengthening research background of the distinguished faculty serving in India.
• Allowing consultancy charges to be shared by the faculty;
• Revamping Academic Staff Colleges;
• Organizing summer school to train teachers; etc.
• Enhancing the retirement age of teachers from 62 to 65 years as also retention of the re-employed teachers upto the age of 70 years.
This information was given by the Minister of State for Human Resource Development Smt. D. Purandeswari, in a written reply to a question, in the Lok Sabha today.
Do u have a GO for this. With out a Govt Order no one can see the salary coming to them. So some please upload GO if u find it anywhere in this issue here…
are you arpan manna?
yes …..can you give ur actual identity
abe ami soumik re
Guru Jambeshwar University, Haryana is giving 18000 per month for their PhD students from this year……..so, hope for the best.
link:http://jansanchaar.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1815:gju-will-conduct-the-phd-entrance&catid=35:haryana-news&Itemid=55
Can any one tell me that when we will get increased fellowship.
I went through the Budget speech. There was no mentioning of any kind of enhancement in the fellowship or enhancement of fund allocation for either UGC or CSIR. If any one has a better reason even now to say that our fellowships will increase, Please let us know with a valid and strong support like a Govt Order or an RTI reply.
I went through the Budget speech. There was no mentioning of any kind of enhancement in the fellowship or enhancement of fund allocation for either UGC or CSIR. If any one has a better reason even now to say that our fellowships will increase, Please let us know with a valid and strong support like a Govt Order or an RTI reply….
hey,can any one tell me that how someone get different UGC JRF and someone CSIR JRF in science subjects while there is single exam? Is CSIR JRF awarded to better marks getter?
No, there is no marks different. I think this is the lottery. because we know only top 20% of the qualified students are called for the SPM written examination.And we know both UGC and CSIR qualified students are called for this exam in the basis of marks only. so there should not be any marks difference between CSIR and UGC.
See the link below.
http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=58268
Thanks for the link….I think within a month now.. they are going to announce….Hopefully….!!
when it will going to implement these fellowship. then they will announce the increnment, if yes how much
hi!
I think after 1 year fellowship will be increase!!!
fellowships will NEVER increase.bhar me jao sab.sab sala chutia ,dialogue marte hain ….paise k time me thenga !!!!
disgusting authorities !!!!
Mr. Indian… Pl stop calling yourself as Indian… Be a true Indian than just calling urself an Indian. See Indian govt is giving u a facility to get a degree that too by paying u… The authorities have their own problems when looking after all their responsibilities. So lets give them time… V r not beggers to keep begging them a hike. V r getting a fellowship not a handsome salary… I hope u ll stop thinking like this… Think positive cos thats what is in need for India now to progress…
Mr. Indian, plz mind ur language, U r on public forum. U r proving ur statement with ur own example!
Why have so much of frustration.!!?
praveen, do u know s.hawking is leaving cambridge ???
just ans why ???
all the money for management guys,EDIOTIC SHITS WITH CHEATING ABILITY ???? damn u guys.
why no price for theoritical physicist ????
smartest minds with negligence,why???
I AM NOT FRUSTRATED, I AM HURT WITH TODAY’S WORLD OF THINKING.
Dear Indian, Your frustration is understandable but remember its your own choice. While making career choice, it was you who chose to go for further education instead of going for a job. If money is what attracts you then you could have done a course which is in demand in the booming Indian job-market. Instead of contributing to nation’s economy and getting rewarded for it by handsome salary, you took an unconventional path and now demanding from government to support your education from taxpayers money. Everybody is paid according to the marginal contribution s/he brings to the society and the current societal thinking is that “management guys” contribute more than a wannabe “theoretical physicists”, hence the differential reward. So, get your basics right and change yourself according to the world and do not wait the world to change according to you.
Cheers!
well said Bharatiya…
Before entering into the field of science pl understand guys that V r here for a craze and not to earn money…
This is a very drastic opinion for members in this discussion board, but I feel that Indian government should significantly reduce its doctoral/post-doctoral fellowship schemes. JRFs/SRFs are like dangling bread in the mouse trap, which weans away many young bright Indians towards dead-end careers and contributes to the ’scientist glut’ problem. The ad-hoc research trainee position idea is taken from the United States, which itself is now debating worthiness of such a system in long run. See this very good article in Scientific American.
Does the U.S. Produce Too Many Scientists? (open access)
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=does-the-us-produce-too-m&offset=6
dear bharatiya,
i am a faculty (joined recently) in a research institute.i myself dont need anything, but i feel bad for the researchers.that’s it dude…
Dear Indian,
If you are faculty then your language is very much bad. After reading felt so bad how can you be the faculty if your own words are not good. Why you think about researchers. First think about what you says at public place. let improve yourself better because your are in society.
As part of Government body (Police officer) we need to take action on you as you are part of research institute. In which institute you do research or work? I think we need to talk with your director and need to show your progress.
Its not good sign of researcher.
Keep patience and by the way fellowship will shortly increased.To increase fellowship require time because it is not to give one person but there is huge quantity of students. So let understand and co-operate.
vikas,
any news ?
Here is an UPDATE for CSIR people
Amit Ranjan of JNU has informed that about 15 students from premier scientific institutions (such as NII, ICGEB, JNU, Maulana Azad and others) had a meeting with Mr. Brahmchari, the CSIR DG on the issue of increment of fellowhips.
They will soon (in a day or two) have a meeting with Mr. T. Ramaswamy (secretary, DST). Amit said he will keep us informed of new developments.
AND HERE IS A BIG NEWS. Mr. Brahmachari, DG CSIR said he reads this blog!
So things are looking bright for CSIR people too. Just wait please.
Great news!!
Better late than never!!
Please keep us informed.
research fellowship in india is pathetic at present. just a graduate in other fields such as management and IT sectors earn thrice as much as a poor research associate with phd earns. considering the long, torturous and extnded period of time we spend doing phd……the value of our phd degree is just Rs. 1000/- (you get 15000 as srf extended and rs 16000 as RA after getting phd)……….This is the fate of a fresh young scientist in INDIA!!!!
well said wave.i also have the same opinion as u.
Hae guys,
I need some help regarding Medical Allowances. Im a research student in Bangalore University. Im getting salary from a project sponsored by DAE-BRNS funding agency. I get 12k + HRA. The rules of BRNS suggest that I should also get Medical Allowances (MA). But since my university has a Primary Health Center I will not get the MA.
A few days back I have met with an accident. Now doctor is suggesting me to undergo an MRI scan which costs me not less than 7k. So i need information whether I can get the benifit of Medical Allowances for such cases. Please if anyone has already undergone this case before pl help me.
Hi Praveen,
Even if your university has a Primary Health Center, you may get Medical Allowances.I m doing PhD from IIT Bombay and we also have hospital for us, even then we can get upto 50,000 of Medical Allowances in one time.So I will suggest to talk to ur university, and u can get substancial amount.
Thanks Vivek.. I ll try to find out with the university people here.
Well Vikas, Doing well and go ahead for Research Scholar rights and promotion of science in INDIA
Dear Vikas/ Amit,
I was thinking if we all can form non-political “Association of
Research Scholars of India”.? This forum will help all student
perusing research in India as well those who wish to. This forum can
also act as channel between universities, institutes or funding
agencies. Most importantly, Can/Shall this forum address the situation
of Research in India and become forum for well being of research and research personnel.!??
Amit, Vikas u, are really working good for a cause. U can be a good
leaders for this ARSI forum, which can be maintained online.
(Forming a forum, I mean, is only for positive changes of any kind.
Working for better causes. RTI is the best tool, Amit Ranjan has proved it. Not otherwise, the way associations work.!!!)
Amit,
Thanks for the suggestion. Amit Ranjan and others have actually forming an informal forum of Science Students. I will soon ask him the details and post it here.
I am fully agree with the suggestion of Amit.this type of assocoation will help India’s Research scholars to make their problems easy.
“AAJ KA BETA DAAL KA PAPITA”….. These are the novel words of our kind and generous CSIR Director General and were said to a group of researchers who just went to enquire about the view and the current status of fellowship increment.
Dated 24-2-2010 , a group of researchers representing from 6 different educational institutions namely JNU, NII, DU, AIIMS, MAMC and IIT went to meet CSIR-DG Prof. Sameer Bhramhachari through an appointment, to ask about what is the current status of CSIR regarding this fellowship increase announced by UGC chairman Dr. Thurrat. Unexpectedly Prof. Bhramhachari was also accompanied by Head of HRDG, Dr. Luthra and shushila khilnani.
During the initial discussion with Dr Luthra, he told us that there is a proposal of this kind but he was not willing to say more. On being asked about the fellowship delay time that the student faces, he explained about the work pressure on HRDG dept. due massive number of affiliated institutions. He told that mostly the delay is on the part of respective institutions and not by HRDG. According to him if an institution is willing then it has enough money to pay our monthly stipends.
When Prof. Bhramhachari arrives, the first thing he asked about was “MUJHE KISI NE METHAI NAHI KHILAYI PICHLI BAAR JAB FELLOWSHIP BADHAI”. True, we apologized. When we asked him about the fellowship increase, he told that he personally feels that we are getting more than enough money to sustain ourselves during the period of PhD. He is a good speaker therefore he lectured us a lot about what was there in 1974 and since then. We listened. There were several hot arguments during this discussion. On hearing that a group student had come, Prof. Bhramhachari thought that we were some political organization. Hence he first enquired from each of us that what institution we belonged and what fellowships were we availing. Then on hearing the view of a JNU student, he says that “WAHA PE TO SAB LEFT HAI”. Amit Ranjan (JNU) asked Prof. Bhramhachari, showing the RTI answer copies from UGC, CSIR and DST, stating that UGC has already announced the fellowship increase but not CSIR. To this Prof. Bhramhachari said that CSIR-HRDG is the main body that conducts the NET exam and it lends some of the fellowship to UGC. Ofnote, he says that UGC fellows are lower in merit. Gopal jee Gopal (JNU) when tried to ask about the transparency in the CSIR system as they did not respond to any of the RTI questions satisfactorily, Prof. Bhramhachari said “TUMHARA NAAM KYA HAI, BATAO MUJHE, MAIN TUMHARA KABHI APPOINTMENT NAHI HONE DOONGA”. To this Gopal jee Gopal said that “MAIN AISI JAGAH JOIN HI NAHI KAROONGA JAHAN PAR SYSTEM TRANSPARENT NAHI HOGA”. Then Prof. Bhramhachari said “you guys don’t study and always say that increase fellowship……I dare you if any one of you could answer my question in your respective fields”. One resrearcher from NII, Arun upadhyay accepted his challenge but as expected could not meet the requirements of our CSIR-DG. Then one of our other colleague ANIS(NII) said to Prof. Bhramhachari that “Sir, we all are Indians and I will ask 5 questions about India and you will not be able to answer any one of them”. Round and round discussion went for about two and a half hours.
Outcome of this meeting are as follows:
1) There is an proposal to increase the number of fellowships in this financial year i.e. 2009-10.
2) There is an proposal to increase the amount of fellowships in the next financial year i.e. 2010-11.
3) If passed then we could get the increased fellowship from 1st April, 2010 onwards.
4) Nothing is certain.
We appeal to all researches of India to put hands together on this issue.
SHAME BE ON MR. BRAHMCHARI! JUST READ ABOVE HOW HE THINKS!!!!!!!!
We should not do Ph.D. at such place where research scholar do not get respect..
It is very shameful..
Finance Minister should interfere this issue. And give satisfaction to all the researchers. After all, researchers build the nation and they are excellent resources of any country.
how much rupees increased jrf and srf please send the details
I am jrf scholar.I have been studing in gandhigram rural university from 16.11.2009. Tillnow i have not a fellowship amount .when send the sanction letter for this year.please send the details
I have been studing in gandhigram rural university from 02.09.2009. Tillnow i have not a fellowship amount .when send the sanction letter for this year.please send the details.
Its really shameful on Dr brahmchari”s view regarding research fellow. let me ask questions Who generate datas, performed research in lab?
A research fellow doing almost all tasks, researchers, technician, labours managers in Labs with uncertain future.
these people once placed in better positions they willing to forgets his Phds situations.
this is fact, all research is doing by jrf srf fellows not by scientists. We think, plan and finally perform , only then institute gets every thing. so plz i would like to say to higher level persons that be with us.
i agree with naveen…….
finance minister Dr. Bramchari should consult with finace minister on the behalf of all reserch fellows.
Dear all
HRD release a press release about the increment the amount of JRF and SRF Please see this link.
http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=58268
Summary is as follows:
Government steps to make teaching attractive
While the power to make appointments to the teaching posts in a Central University vests in its Board of Management/Executive Council, the Government keeps on reminding the Central Universities to fill the vacancies at an early date. The Government/UGC is taking the following measures aimed at attracting the bright young people to adopt teaching in higher education as a career vis-à-vis the opportunity available to them in view of the emerging sectors of economy, thereby managing the teaching positions at various levels:
• Enhancing rates of Junior and Senior Research Fellowships by about 50%;
• Strengthening science based education and research in Universities;
• Disbursement of grant for presentation of research papers in international fora/conferences;
• Enhancing the quantum of research grant to Universities aimed at encouraging research;
• Introducing Ramanujan Fellowship to attract distinguished Indian faculty serving in foreign Universities;
• Introducing Bose Fellowship aimed at strengthening research background of the distinguished faculty serving in India.
• Allowing consultancy charges to be shared by the faculty;
• Revamping Academic Staff Colleges;
• Organizing summer school to train teachers; etc.
• Enhancing the retirement age of teachers from 62 to 65 years as also retention of the re-employed teachers upto the age of 70 years.
This information was given by the Minister of State for Human Resource Development Smt. D. Purandeswari, in a written reply to a question, in the Lok Sabha today.
MV/Hb
Mr. amit ye to upar bhi diya h. koi nyi cheeez batao. I think by the first april we will get it.
Dear Vikas, After getting Incresed Fellowship- we will demand for a researcher cell section in HRD ministry. We should shift to fight for basic rights of researcher scholar in India. You should lead in this direction
The most interesting fact is that the University JRF (awarded by the state Govt’s & University) amount has increased and currently it is same as the UGC-JRF scale of pay….according to the officials here in W.Bengal UGC-JRF amount cannot be the same as University JRF. HOPE FOR THE BEST till APRIL FOOLS DAY….lets watch whether we are Researcher or a Govt FOOL !!!!!!
anybody can you tell me when it will be implement and how much exactely, its real or just gossip
raja
its gossip man .i feel bad for u.
All Govt Agnecies are fooling research scholars… Just showing Carrot of fellowship to students.. It is not worth doing Ph.D. in India. Here No Respact also And No MOney also… Very harassing situation of research scholars.
yes correct,no that much facility and money, i agree with you
I think, we all should wait till 31/03/2010. We will get increase amount of UGC-JRF/SRF in new financial year.
No Amit… Do not hope.. Firstly HRD Ministry has to give fund. Then It will go to finance ministry then again it will come back to UGC then they will issue OM. Then after long time our institute will give money… It is very big process… I do not think that it will come so early………
UPDATE:
Amit Ranjan has sent a 4 MB PDF on RTI replies and about a forum. He also said they will get a concrete reply from officials in about 20 days. I am facing a technical error in uploading it here and will do it on Monday.
Here is some text from it:
Dear friends,
After getting response from Respected T. Ramaswami the group of
researchers from AIIMS, JNU, NII, IIT, ICGEB and UCMS meet Dr Milind in DST.
In the corridor we saw Ramaswami sir and tried to enquire about fellowship. There was
hot discussion between us and Mr. Secretary. We will disclose later about discussion. Dr Milind said us for wait some time. We obeyed and decided to wait some times. Friends it is highly condemnable about DST and CSIR as they are not disclosing anything to
researchers. They are fearful about RTI act.
As a sincere citizen of our country we feel there must be reform in Science and
technology so we are coming under one umbrella named Scientific research forum of
India. We have submitted our demand to Mr. Secretary and hope there must be positive
response if he is willing to reform the Scientific System. We submitted some proposal
please see that.
Thanks,
Amit Ranjan ,
Research Scholar,
JNU, New Delhi.
Ph-9818674016
Email- amikaranjan@gmail.com
Dr. T. Ramasami
Secretary, DST
Government of India
Respected Sir,
Society of Young Scientists, AIIMS, New Delhi on behalf of all other institutes like JNU, NII, Delhi University, ICGEB, IGIB, MAMC wants to have an official meeting with you regarding the revision of the emoluments of the JRFs/SRFs. As stated by the DG (CSIR) Dr. Samir K. Bramachari and Dr. Rajesh Luthra (Head, HRDG) DST acts as a
coordinating body on behalf all other funding agencies for the revisioin of the
emoluments of JRFs/SRFs. So sir please gives your appointment at an early date to
discuss the above issue.
Thanking You,
Sincerely
Sanjeev Kumar Chaudhary
Chairman
Society of Young Scientists (SYS)
AIIMS, New Delhi-110608
Mobile No: 91-9868636871
E-MAIL-sanjeevchaudhary.aiims@gmail.com
Dear Shri Chaudhary,
I receive your note of March 3, 2010. We had initiated steps for such revisions through
an Inter-Ministerial Consultation. We are at the moment discussing the details with
Ministry of Finance. DST and other Government Departments do not enjoy the
flexibility of decision bodies like CSIR and UGC.
It will be done hopefully by April, 2010. I would request you to kindly wait for
sometime. If you have anything specific, I would request you to kindly meet some of my
colleagues in the Department during this phase of discussions. Such arrangements are
unfortunately necessary and unavoidable at this time.
Kindest regards,
Yours sincerely,
Dr. T. Ramasami,
Secretary,
Department of Science & Technology,
19, Technology Bhawan, New Mehrauli Road,
New Delhi 110 016.
Tel: 011 – 2651 1439 / 2651 0068
E-mail: dstsec@nic.in
Dear Vikas
What was the hot discussion between you all and Mr. Secretary. Please disclose it………
Amit and others,
Please note this. I have never visited the CSIR or have been part of any delegation. All text and RTIs here are by Amit Ranjan of JNU. The text is by him only. I am only a medium/messenger here for information.
Thanks.
Dear all,
First of all salutes to Vikas, Amit ranjan and other fellow researchers who spend their valuable time and effort. Well it seems that this increase is not a gossip at all. So its better to wait. As Mr. Rajesh had said it takes time for any thing to move from table to table in Govt. offices / agencies. Even if the decision delays we may get retrospectively from April 2010.
Reg. disclosing private conversations (ref. the hot discussion with secretary) based on appointments with such ppl frm govt agencies… its not that easy/safe… I feel. At least fellow researchers like Amit ranjan and team do things… we just listen and comment. So they need to take time and compose a statement that wont be offending any one. So it takes time.
May be the partial motive behind willing to give appointments and maintaining clever silence / tricky replies in RTIs, I feel, is that RTIs can be disclosed in forums like this but not all the conversations based on appointments and even if disclosed they can claim that they meant something else as there will be no written evidence for discussions as in case of RTI.
So lets wait… (I am not bothered even if the final decision comes much later but implemented retrospectively frm April 2010 so that I get a lump-sum in arrears…
)
Hello Madam,
Implementation from Sept 2009… Not Apr 2010..
is it…. thts gr8.. but is it authentic? n i m male lol
Oh! Sorry For that…
Please check first RTI reply…
It looks authentic, but we all should wait and watch. Regarding CSIR-JRF/SRF I know the decision has been already taken about increase the fellowship from 12000/14000 to 18000/21000 from reliable source. don’t ask about source, i can’t disclose that…
Dear all,
I have a specific query. I am working on a project sponsored by DST. As the project was already sanctioned (march 2008) with the salary head @ 12,000 / 14,0000.. will they allocate more funds for such already sanctioned projects so that the people working can be paid the new revised (if done) scale retrospectively from what ever the date is?
Mr. amit we all know that it has increased, but now question is that when we get increased amount?
Dear Prithivi/all
It is sure that fellowship is going to increase and regarding project fellowship sponserd by DST fellowship must be increased but it will take more time than UGC/CSIR. But it is sure you will get revised pay scale.
Good luck
I understand the same Amit but I was wondering about retrospective payment of arrears i.e. say from sep 2009 – the date it will be implemented
Dear Vikas
Please upload the recent RTI reply as early as possible we all are eagrly waiting for that. It seems that this April 2101 will bring us some good results.
I am soory for mistake please read it 2010 instead of 2101.
The new Fellowships are started from 01/09/2009, it is sure. Possible date may be april 2010 as mention earlier, wait for the recent RTI reply
Thanx amit!!!!!!!!!!!
Is their any increament in fellowship…amit tell me.
Anjali
It is confirm that UGC/CSIR fellowship is going to increase, and that increament will be for JRF/SRF from 12000/14000 to 18000/21000 (basic)+HRA
Dear Amit,
Thanks to you, Vikas and all others who are doing these wonderful job on behalf of all the research fellows. Let us hope for the best and wait. I remember the last time in 2007 when the fellowship was increased Science & technology minister announced the issue. This time all the different bodies like UGC/CSIR/DST etc are taking it separately as far as I understand. Can you tell me what is the real picture…..is it same or different?
Yaah it is correct that all the different bodies like UGC/CSIR/DST etc are taking it separately, but decision must be same for all researchers. They can not distinguish. You can read some article above where CSIR has told that when UGC increase the fellowship we shall increase it. And the amount of fellowship for all governing bodies are same as JRF/SRF 18000/21000…………….
Dear Amit I could not open your recent post(at 8:55am. whether there is any technical problem with the bloading or any error.
vikas,
can u upload that 4mb report.please dude.
Indian,
I am getting some technical issues in uploading any file on net; will resolve it soon. Meanwhile i have sent it to you on mail. Do go through it and try to upload it if you want, on any file sharing site and leave a link here. Thanks.
Hae Vikas, Can u pl forward me also the file that u sent to Indian
hi vikas please forward me the file through the mail…..which you have forwarded to indian….
bye
Dear Vikas you just copy all text from your pdf file and paste here………..if you found any difficulty then u can send it either me or some one else where u want………..
Hi Vikas.
Please forward me also the pdf file that you have forwarded to Indian.
Hi Indian will you please forward me the mail that was sent by Vikas to you. My mail id is gd_20uk@yahoo.co.in.
please send me.
Thanks
hi amit/vikas
thanks for ur sincere efforts regarding fellowship…could u please tell me is it going to be implemented from sep 2009
Please Vikas forward me the mail at aniruddha82[AT]in.com
[Aniruddha, I have changed the format of your email to prevent it from being read by bots who look for emails to spam. Sent you the file too - Vikas]
Everyone,
Here is the 4 MB PDF uploaded on Google Docs (I’ll soon edit the post and leave the link in the body of the text as well). https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B_93vuZtYypbY2RkNGM2YzQtZmQxZi00ZmU1LWJkNDUtYzQ3YWMzMzIwM2Jm&hl=en
Take care people, going for breakfast now.
hello sir, when this increment will come, how long time we have to wait,
whether this one is true or just a story,please reply me
when this increment will be implemented because of now march , so we have to send grant-aid bill, there we have to mention the amount of stipend, whether whatever getting rightnow or any new amount,still fifteen days only is there
Thanks vikas and amit
Every person related with these official proceedings of fellowship increment should at least once lead the life of a research student (of course in India) then they will understand the actual situation. We know some of them were research student once. At least they should not forget the situation and do as best as they can to do it promptly.
May be the fellowship will not be increased as soon as we are hoping. CGCRI, a national lab under CSIR has recently (12.03.2010) given ads for JRF and SRF recruitment and the fellowhips announced there seem to be unchanged.
see for yourself and comment :-
http://www.cgcri.res.in/doc/Adv_69_2010-03-15.pdf
They cannot write the increased amount unless it is officially announced. Once it is announced it will surely be revised….Don’t worry.
For that i can say that no one can notify increase amount without any notification by governing body. You can see all notification of government job before implementation of 6th pay commission and of course after 2006. The basic pay of all notification were same as in 5th pay scheme……….
Vikas has that pdf in this link plz see………
https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B_93vuZtYypbY2RkNGM2YzQtZmQxZi00ZmU1LWJkNDUtYzQ3YWMzMzIwM2Jm&hl=en
today this issue was answered at lok sabha, and they have made a 50 % percent hike for JRF and SRF, so it is going to be 21,000 for jrf and 23,000 for srf….
Mr. Krishna mohan, Are u sure…….what was ur source….
are you sure krishna mohan, whats the source
MR. Krishna Mohan,
If it is true please furnish details, any link of the source please!
Dear Krishna
50 % percent hike for JRF and SRF means increment in basic i.e., in JRF its 12000+50% more=12000+6000=18000 and in SRF its 14000+50%=14000+7000=21000
Mr.krishna, if your statement is cirrect means send me the corresponding link
First of all 50% of 14000=21000 not 23000…..Where did you the news Mr. Krishna Mohan……..Please don’t confuse us..
krishna mohan, please mension your sorce of information
Dont tell lie here, becoz some fellows are realy struglling on the behalf of all fellows.
You are right ramesh…..
The news is probably fake..Some people are just making fun of us. Please…… this is a forum for serious people….not for any fake news
The people like Krishna Mohan, always creates an obstakle for the creative people like Vikas, Amit and all others. We are requesting to you MR K MOhan Please do not make such foolish things.
Thanks
Hello Friend !!
I was just reading all conversations of Dr. T Bhramchari and our fellows. This is really pathetic how our planner think about research status in India. I guess he is forgetting his days of Phd. Scenario has been changed as well cost of living n everything. how one can compare with such a old days research status.I am too a research scholar in one of IIT in engineering stream and did a lots of project in various European universities but condition of research in pathetic and there no tranparency in system.
There atleast a RS get amount equal to what little experienced engineer get in Industry. Until goverment not increase fellowship and make lucrative , how they can attract youngters for research.
I think Research (and post doc)must be considered as short term profession by government not a university going student and must fixed up scales as per norms for Engineering in PSU And govt body. This only can boost research india not by just increasing number of seats.
Thanks for reading !!
Ashish
You people are doing a nice job.
At least in my institute all r with u.
You people are converging..
this is something interesting…
http://www.iiitd.ac.in/phd2010.php
Yes this is interesting but not surprising. Normally these projects involve foreign collaboration and/or participation of industry. All the IITs run many such projects in their engineering disciplines which leads to a PhD/MS degree at the end. But as far as the basic science (both theory/experiment) are concerned such projects are very very few. And the increased amount of fellowship has nothing to do with our regular UGC/CSIR/DAE/DST/ISRO/DBT fellowships. Hope these regular fellowships will also be increased very soon.
Our DG should remember his PhD days, but why should he??????
He and several useless people like him already get a pay hike thanks to 6th pay commission. Now, why shuld he bother about fellows ‘the main work force of scientific institutions’
Mr.krishna, if your statement is correct means send me the corresponding link
Dear MR. Vikas,
Are the JRF/SRFs who are not NET qualifed (ISRO, Dept. of Space Project) eligible to get the increased rate?
Dear Vikas and amit.
Good work. i really appretiate for each and every effort you are putting for all of us.
enjoy and keep updating as always.
We all are with you
Cheers
TOADY WHATS THE NEWS
whether its applicable for csir-jrf qualified candidate or all candidate
dear all,
i am a research scholar from B.H.U. and wish to seek information from you “updated” guys. according to ugc regulation june 2009 that students who have enrolled after june 2009 will have to do pre phd course work and only then their phd shall be exempted from “net”. What wiil the fate of those researchers who have cleared Resaerch eligiblity test and were enrolled in a central university before june 2009 and have not cleared net exam. is their phd exempted from net. please inform me about it.
thanks!
Dear Satya
I have read the guideline of UGC regarding exempted from NET. I think there is some miss confusion. Phd exempted from NET is valid only those student who has registered as Phd student either giving exam or exam with interview. This exam has been also done in D.U. Otherwise NET is compulsory criteria for all students. After the implementation of UGC regulation 2009 every student has come under these rule but selection committee can give relaxation under some specific circumstances i.e. if NET qualified student are not available or etc.
These are some points…….
3.3.0 The minimum requirements of a good academic record, 55% of the marks at the master’s level and qualifying in the National Eligibility Test (NET), or an accredited test (State Level Eligibility Test – SLET/SET), shall remain for the appointment of Assistant Professors.
3.3.1. NET/SLET/SET shall remain the minimum eligibility condition for recruitment and appointment of Assistant Professors in Universities / Colleges / Institutions. Provided, however, that candidates, who are or have been awarded Ph. D. degree in compliance of the “University Grants Commission (minimum standards and procedure for award of Ph.D. Degree), Regulations 2009, shall be exempt from the requirement of the minimum eligibility condition of NET/SLET/SET for recruitment and appointment of Assistant Professor or equivalent positions in Universities / Colleges / Institutions”.
Reference to Ph.D-s in these Regulations shall be taken as a doctoral degree from a University following the above UGC Regulations of 2009 regarding registration process, course work, and evaluation process with effect from the date of issue of such guidelines by UGC. The exemption from NET/SLET/SET will not be applicable to Ph.D degrees awarded by the universities who have not adopted and followed the above UGC Regulations of 2009, provided the Universities have adopted the guidelines issued by UGC
from time to time to accord exemption of the Ph.D. degree holders from acquiring a pass in NET/SLET/SET.
3.3.3 NET/SLET/SET shall not be required for such Masters Degree Programmes in disciplines
Holders of Ph.D. degree as on the date of Notification of these Regulations, along with those candidates who are awarded a Ph.D. degree through a process of admission, registration, course work and external evaluation as laid down in the UGC (Minimum Standards and Procedures for award of M.Phil /Ph.D Degree), Regulations, 2009 and so adopted by the university, shall be exempted from NET/SLET/SET.
NET/SLET/SET shall also not be required for such Masters Programmes in disciplines for which NET/SLET/SET is not conducted subject to the conditions stipulated in these Regulations in clause.3.3.3.
Dear Amit
Thanks for ur prompt response. But the doubts are still there. i would like to give you a case to analyse
1. A student who enrolled himself in a central university (B.H.U) after clearing “combined research eligibility test in the year 2007 when a P.hd degree was exempted from the NET/SLET.
2. He has not cleared NET/SLET till now
3. the University has inducted UGC 2009 regulation and he is not allowed to undertake the pre phd course work citing the reason that his registration is in the year 2007. (noteworthy is the point that the university has inducted the guideline
u.g.c. 2009 regulation)
4. the said student is about to submit his dissertation
in the situation cited above whether
1)the student’s ph.d is valid?
2)if yes, whether his ph.d. is exempted from NET?
please inform me about the above mentioned queries.
thanks and regards
Hello,
I thank Vikas, Amit and all members who has shared their news/views here except that “Indian”, a teacher? (useless fellow-I suggest him not to comment on public forums)I do not what he can teach at his college.
Okay, I think we can concentrate more on research rather than fellowship. I feel 12000 is more than enough to support our Ph D research career bcz fellowship is just to sustain our career in research. Researchers should feel happy that government is making a move in increment of fellowship. Thanks for their concern. Now let it take time to implement. If it is implemented then you will informed, may even encash more. Don’t think much about money, money is nothing to do with our research. Just think of fellowship in early days of Indian research (1500/1996???). I do not think quality of research will enhance with increase in fellowship. It could happen if government increase the available funds for research and if not delay the disbursement of funds. Pls see todays “thehindhu” news paper (science and technology section) to know how Indian research quality is? Japan, china, Australia are leading in quality research.
I am not blaming India but my intension is so many young researchers are involved in this discussion it may help to think in different avenue.
My contrasting opinion: We should not compare Indian government support to research with other countries. That may take us on different discussion. US and Europe is giving fellowship of just 2.5 times less than professors salary whereas in India it is 8.5 times less . I think this cause the brain drain to Europe or other countries. Therefore, if emolument to researchers increased it will help people who have financial needs. Hence, government can stop brain drain.
I am new to this forum, please forgive me if I am assertive in my views.
**please disclose your Identity, give your true names. what is there in it. we are in democratic India.
Gurumurthy G P, JRF
Dept of civil
Manipal Institute of Technology
Manipal 576104
First of all let me thank you for your comments. You view is fantastic no doubt. But I cannot agree with all you said.
Yes it is true that — “12000 is more than enough to support our Ph D research career bcz fellowship is just to sustain our career in research”. But researchers are not any creature from outer space. A man/woman at the age of 23-30 has also liabilities. Sometimes they have to feed their family, look after their aged parents. And also after so many years of education family also expect their support.
“Don’t think much about money, money is nothing to do with our research”—probably every researcher in India knows that i hope. That’s why they have come to this field of research. But at the end of the day you need money, so you cannot help thinking about it, especially in those days where daily expanses are so high.
Hope for the best.
Dear Gurumoorthy,
FYI this forum is for giving updates on the fellowship increment. This is not the place to discuss whether it is necessary for increment or not. Kindly dont spam with unnecessary topics. If you really wish to discuss on that kindly open another blog and leave the link as a related post… we will be happy to share our views.
Sincerely yours,
Prithivi Raj,
Dept of Chemical Engineering,
IIT Bombay.
Thanks for the comment.
yeah! That is what researchers should do na? We should not agree with others opinion/conclusions. We have to think our own.
For financial needs there are lots of career options.. IT.. business..SO ON… there also excellence is possible with good salary???
I agree “Researchers are not creatures from outer space” it is certain. What do you say about daily wagers working for 100rs/day? are not they living in earth? do not they feed/have their family?
In my opinion, people can live with small money provided knowing why they are in earth.
Again sorry for my assertiveness.
Gurumurthy G P
MIT Manipal
thanks to vikas gupta , amit singh fa a gr8 info , u guys are really doing agood jb
hello all,
i have gone through many a persons viewpoint that the amount of fellowship that is given in the current situation is quite enough to sustain the lives of the young researchers of India.
i certainly wish to differ to this view. the researchers who people often refer as young are not so young actually most of us are certainly over 28 or nearly 30 when we do our research work. and most obviously many of us are already marred or have to look up to our families. i know that the current fellowship being given out is much more than in 1970 or even 1990s. but think about this in a logical sense the value of 1 rupee in 1970 or even 1990s was not like today in those days the central government employees also got around 7 to 8k s only so the pricing of everyday goods was not like today when most of the government employee gets more than 50 to 70k.
so, before saying that we should concentrate more on our research than asking for our fellowship to be increased is a very wrong way of representing peoples opinion. all we want is some sort of parity and justice so that our hard work does not get washed away.
Surajit Bhattacharya
CSIR-JRF
Department of Biotechnology
IIT, Kharagpur.
i agree with surajit. i see my researcher friends, who are married, having tough times making both ends meet…………. authorities must fix the fellowships considering our qualification, age, labour and responsibilities.
we work day and night (our supervisor make us work on saturdays and national holidays also) and at the end of the month we get a pitiful amount.
And there must be a forum who cam talk on our behalf…..if we people don’t get the chance to lead a peaceful life by our own earning then how anyone can expect a motivating research work from our side?!! ……Surajit, may i ask you one thing? r u from IIT- ALPGE ?
HIIIII Vikas and Amit
any further news (good news) regarding the fellowshi matter. Please keep on informing us through this blog.
Thank you.
Dear Mr. Prithvi and colleagues,
I never said fellowship should be/should not be incremented. My intension was not to discuss that, however, tone was like that only. My intension was to say let the government to take decision. I am extremely sorry for my posts. Please be kind in ignoring my earlier posts. I could not find delete option in it.
I am happy to receive updates! keep me updated. Keep disclosing Identity!
Thank you all.
Gurumurthy G P
Can anyone please let me know whether the said increment is also valid for Research Associates(RAs), if yes how much they are going to get?
Thanks in advance.
Hi amit and vikas !!!
thanks for your great info reg the 6th pay for JRF/SRF etc… is it possible they will implement that by this april ..?
hi raja,
yes , iam sure that they will increase 18000/21000 for Jrf/Srf respectively but it will not be that much fastly implemented. It will take more than your expectation
dont write informations and qries other then hike in fellowship.
mr.rancho.nice information , you are having any evidence for this information
Here is a suggestion for all budding scientists.
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ALSO SEE THE BLOG OF THIS IISc PROFESSOR: http://nanopolitan.blogspot.com/ AND FOLLOW IT.
@ wave
yes i am. may i know who r u?
@ surajit
i am ur didi at kolkata…………….got it? keep updating.
Fellowship is likely to increase……………my supervisor was also hinting towards it.
I am giving to all information about increase in fellowship. In lok sabha this question for increase in fellowship was asked by SHRI M. RAJA MOHAN REDDY on Wednesday, February 24, 2010. Here is the link:
http://164.100.47.132/questionslist/MyFolder/24022010.pdf
Hi Madan, Very good information. Can u please give a link to the answers for those questions once you get the data pl
Where is the answer?
pls upload the answer for that questions …
Hey Vikas, Will u please disconnect me from this conversation.? How to discontinue receiving emails from this blog.? Plese revove my name from mailing list.
Use this link to manage your subscription. may I ask why you want to unsubscribe?
http://vikas-gupta.in/?wp-subscription-manager=1&email=gurumurthygp@gmail.com&key=052c38bc95f481a79255e9d3d9a69d64
Gurumurthy G P
Thanks for the link, Vikas, Gurumurthy.
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I recieve e-mails very frequently now, as activity meter here has gone high. Also, there are things getting repeated again & again. People ask same “s..d” questions discussued earlier. Vikas n Amit Ranjan are doing real work there. Supporting them fully.
regards,
Amit, Pune
Dr. Ramasami, the secretary of Department of Science and Technology
(DST), government of India, is visiting IIT Bombay on Monday.
An open session has been arranged by Dean R&D’s office so that Research
Scholars can interact with Dr. Ramasami and discuss with him all their
issues and put forth suggestions for the betterment of the PhD programme
in general.
I am from IIT bombay….
Suggest me on what will you ask if you get the opportunity…
All logical and possible questions that will be posted here till say 12noon of monday will be asked as far as possible.
will post the outcome asap.
Identity changed for privacy.
Mr.rajeev, ask them, about fellowship, because now whatever we are getting thats not enough, so ask them, then,when it will be implementable,now a days everthing is so high rate
Mr.rajeev, ask them, about fellowship, because now whatever we are getting thats not enough, so ask them, then, it will be implementable,now a days everthing is so high rate
Hi Rajeev
That is a good opportunity for us to put forth our problems and recommendations.I think we must ask about some important aspect of Research status in India. Though now a days doing PhD in India is much tougher than in older days . This itself in some what way a good sign of improvement but we (Govt n we people ) must move in directions to meet international standard.That is possible only when a good number of opportunities will be provided under exchange programs in international specialized labs and R & D sectors.
As well further more i guess fellowship increment is also very important aspect to be discussed. Genuinely the present amount of fellowship is far lesser for married scholar living with family, as all of us can see how the prices of everything shooting up.
Cheers and lets wait for good outcome of discussion.
Ashish
Dear Rajeev,
1. Apart from discussing fellowship increment of JRFs/SRFs, you can also ask about RAs because they are most sufferers. I hope it is applicable to all researchers, if they increment, but just for confirmation.
2. Whether fellowship increment is only applicable to JRF/SRFs who has qualified through CSIR/UGC exams or for all researcher, students working for funded projects MoES, MoEF, CSIR, DST, DBT, ect.?
3. Travel support to Ph D students who are interested in attending conferences.
4. Exchange programs.
Thank you
Gurumurthy G P
Manipal
Rajeev,
Read the opinion of the CSIR DG and ask him whether he also has similar opinion. Ask him pointed questions if it is becoming of the CSIR DG to speak have such a disgusting opinion about research scholars.
Guys, I also suggest we write to some media groups about how our CSIR DG thinks and about the statements he has made!
hi guys !
..any new information?
Rajeev,what happened in that meeting
Dear Rajs the meeting is yet to start…. It is scheduled at 4pm so I logged in to see the final suggestions… will upload it by tonight.
ok rajeev , iwill wait upto tonight
sorry guys i have nothing to say…
Actually a talk by Dr. Ramasamy was scheduled from 4pm to 5pm and the open discussion was schudeled to be before and after that. I went late and when i was entering the talk was already started and after the talk there was some serious debate between IIT faculty and Ramasamy about research temper and so on… so finally he left claiming he will be late for his flight.
It seems there was a brief open discussions b4 the talk… and as always when students asked about hike he just said DST have recommended but we are not the deciding authority and cant say any fixed date for implementation…
So actually there is no actual update from me… i apologize…
May be others from IITB if any in this community who were present during the pre-talk discussion may tell exactly what was the open discussion abt etc
Rajiv any news from IITB
I am CSIR JRF,interested to know the updates about fellowship increment….thank you
Hi there!
This page seemed to be a great platform to request any of you to answer my queries. I cleared my UGC NET & JRF in June,2009 whose results were published on 14 dec.’09. I have been awaiting my Jrf award letter and Net certificate. Do anyone of you have any idea how long it will take to receive it?
Secondly, since i registered for M.phil for July-09-10 session already b4 the results were announced, i need my fellowship from atleast Dec.’09 onwards(date of result announcement). Can anyone tell me that will b able to get it since Dec.? And what i should do to initiate it as early s possible instead of just waiting for the postal procedure?
Thanks a lot Vikas and Amit for giving such platform
Priya.
Priya,
1. It usually takes about 4 months they say. So wait for some more time.
2. I have known people who visited the UGC when they couldn’t wait for the UGC letters to arrive. You can visit/call/RTI the UGC office if you want to and are irritated.
3. You get the fellowships from the day of the results of course.
4. If you live in Delih/around you will be from among the first set of people to receive the letters once they are dispatched.
Hope this answers your question.
vikas,
now close this page.tell everyone that it is not going to increase.one day these scholars will digest this ignorance.at least they will never hope for any support from the government.ministers will have their say as likely they do normally.they make promise so that they can break it.its their only duty through the ages in our motherland.
but thanks for this forum.
take care.
Mr. Indian,
our patience will achieve more than our force……..if we think and accept that stipend would never increase then we would never had a free and democratic India where u hve been given right to critisize our leaders….. u do your job and let them do theirs…..if then also u hve a problem why don’t u go and hve chat with them inspite of murmuring like this.
Thanks a lot Vikas for your genuine response……….I do live near Delhi and hope to get it early next month now. Wish you good luck and success in your life !! God Bless you.
The quality of basic research in India is very poor.The quality of paper is very very poor.So i think 12000/month for jrf 14000/month for srf is not very bad.Don’t think about Fellowship think about your work……….
AND Sibal your attitude towards this fact is far very very very poor.
its not that if we get 12000/14000 then we will not be able to do cutting edge research but its because of our genuine need that we r still sticked to it .
either u have a great financial support from your family & or can remain callous about the suffering of others .
sorry for the above lines ………..but your remark deserves it.
I think all who choose this field are very dedicated persons & none wants more than himself/ herself to publish a quality paper.
……………..” Before u criticize someone u should walk a mile in their shoes .that way when u criticize them u r a mile way & u have their shoes”
HI Sibal
did you ever try to qualify any national level examination like NET, GATE etc with good score. if yes , you would have never said above things for budding researchers in India.Clearing these exam itself shows brilliancy in the candidate and next level is just to hone their skills in research but poor quality of facilities and infrastructure create a negative environment. just for one simple example, a senior student joins PhD and receive his fellowship after in his bank account after 4-5 months, just because of fu…. paper work n bureaucracy and laziness of officials for students. You can not imagine how senior student feel ashamed asking pocket for that four months. okk leave thats just example, there’s a lot which we face in day -to day routine.
I guess when a peon and clerk could get more remuneration, why not Research scholars. Further more i would suggest this increment should be conditional basis, like stetting high standard for awarding PhD degree like high quality publication, patents etc.
Its just my views not any personal comment on any one.
Thanks for reading !!
Ashish
is this true? our fellowship is not increasing ??
fellowship must increase…..becoz if a idea comes it should be implemented…..otherwise frustation remains with us……if it is not increased, we will never belive in system…
well said madan. completely agree with you
please send me the latest news of the blog…….
I am completely agree with the comments on Sibal’s words by Ashish and IQ. Well said boys.
hi sibal,ashish & IQ.
first of all sibal, in your wordings a part of it is true. The research what we do is a bit low standard but not poor.
and IQ, yes i totally agree with you , we can concentrate more on R & D only if when are needs are satisfied.
and ashish, i know there will be alot of hardwork done by people who clears NET exams but where do you land after such hardwork, where your work doesnot get noticed. I think now when our central govt thinks of making a single grading system for all xth students all over india, i think for all researchers accordingly they need to keep a rating or grading (system) kind of thing based on our dedication and performance year wise or project wise. I sincerely think the positions jrf ,srf, RA etc.., will not show our efficiency level to outside world.
Dear Raghu and others,
Low standard is because of lack of state-of-the-art laboratory equipment and infrastructure and not because of researchers capability. Who will accept our papers where we followed outdated material and methodology (e.g., use of traditional AAS instead of advanced ICP-MS, is it possible for us to justify our methodology?). Who will accept our methodology?
Mr. Sibal, the problem is with the Indian government and facilities not with the researchers. I confidently say, on behalf of all researchers, we have the potential to do a research of high quality provided with state-of-the-art laboratory and infrastructure facilities.
Sibal, are you associated with any kind of research work? If not, please be associated with research at least for some time in a state government run universities. You will come to know how the facilities are? How researchers manage to finish their research with the use available facilities and funds? Do you know how long time will officials take to clear a single bill?
I feel researchers are giving excellent output with the use of available outdated facilities. You should appreciate Indian researchers!
Gurumurthy G P
hi all….
i fully agree with Mr. Gurumurthy G P….
I have some Question to all the Research Scholar …..
1.If Indian government increase the fellowship……… can any scholar guaranty to me that they will do good work ?.
2.If you qualify the NET and government should give enough money for that?.
3.How many product that we are use in daily life that come from our research?
……………………….
don’t mixed money and quality research.
Sibalji
nice to see your views…
plz follow this link to get the answers.. i dont wanna spam this blog by talking matters irrelevant to stipend hike but i created another blog.
thanks
no link is posted yet
http://is-indian-science-poor.blogspot.com/
For your kind informatiomn Mr Sibal ji,Let me know you one thing that many of the Scientists in research organisation are getting salary more than their expectetions, but wts their out put, they are weasting their time and govt money. But no one took any objection on the 6th pay commision. By d way where was you that time. research scholaras are only the persons who are working day and night and creating a platform for a valuable research. And people taking cradits of those work and getting heigher positions.
Indian reserach is still poor because of the people like you only.
Think about your such a foolosh mentality.
Prithvi,
please post the link.
Gurumurthy G P
Now please post only ‘genuine’ news and updates relating to Fellowship increase……
sorry i missed to post the link at the the first time.
I would suggest all those research fellows, who have problems with the better payment of research fellows in India i.e. who don’t think that the fellowship should be increased…..you refuse the increased amount when it is increased.
good comment fellow…..why people are not understanding that fellowship is not for personal expenditure, but for family….
Many thanks for the link. It is interesting.
I think nothing irrelevant discussion went on here. Whatever we discussed so far is just our individual thoughts on the forum topic. the discussion was not on life of celebrities but it was on researchers. We people have different opinions about the increment of fellowship. We shared that. What is irrelevant in it? However, the fact is one says (including me) 12000 is enough and I do not need 18000 once the fellowship is incremented.
The objective of all discussions about a particular issue is to catch the eyes of concerned people and to share our thoughts. is not it? My question is, what is the ultimate objective of this forum? is it just to get the updates of the file? If it is, you can have it on daily news also na? Why we are here? (I request VIKAS to answer these questions)
Is it possible for this forum to catch the eyes of people like Mr. Sibal(I do not know about him but his comments are really appreciable), if vikas and other people updating the file status only?
Some comments from fellow mates are really hurting.
The word ‘irrelevant’ is itself an…….
Gurumurthy GP
Dear sibal
So you feel that-
1. The quality of research in India is very poor.
2. What research scholars are getting is more than enough.
3. You need guaranty for good research if you increase fellowship.
As you are the on good post, you have power to take decisions and this power comes with some responsibilities (If you can think this also), I request you to know what you did till now to improve the same.
You say what research scholars are getting is more than enough, for this I would say try to end your month with that amount and you will come to know whether you are right or wrong. Think when in the end of month a research scholar is busy in thinking “from where should he take money for today’s dinner,” how can you think he can think about doing science? Even then I feel what ever they think, they do is good, but yes still it can be better.
You need guaranty of research work if Indian government increases fellowship?
So, where this question was at the time when Indian government has implemented sixth pay commission why you don’t ask this question at that time?
What we are talking about is fellowship we are not on TV shop, buying TV and asking for its guaranty.
Why you feel that doing science is mere responsibility of scholars? Actually this is typical Indian scientist like mentality, you are thinking in the same way as about 50% of scientist think, They believe that they got there post for being corresponding author only. It is the student who has to think about writing project proposals, it’s there responsibly to have found for their PhD and peoples like you are there to sign over it, that’s all.
I really acknowledge to those great scientists of INDIA who still take science as there carrier they feel that they are for doing science only and because of them only Indian science will roar once again.
hi all,
yes i totally agree with rahul….v r doing research right but at the end of the day v r human beings n hv emotions right?????? we also love to move in cars(as ours guides buy it every nw n then) hv dinners in gud resturants.okay acc to u fellowship shuld not increase then why not bring our guides as well to an equal platform may b 2 step higher…that may b enough to make the 2 ends meet or not….v r working day n night to prove smethng new and they r juz there to make corrections and changes….n mr GP u said u r not going to hv ur increased fellowship then i say please do keep ur words n prove it as well….n mr sibal for u i could only say there is no guarentee of man how can u ask for this then??????
its a humble request to u people please if u cannot help in this matter don’t dishearten others it hurts a lot…….
Dear Anshu,
A small correction. Sorry for punctuation mistake and’No’ is missing there. However, the fact is NO one says (including me) 12000 is enough and I do not need 18000, once the fellowship is incremented.
Gurumurthy G P
Hello All !!
Ohh there’s hot discussion going on regarding fellowship increment. Well i do not know Mr. Sibal but i would like answer all three questions asked by him as well one question from my side for him.
DID YOU QUALIFY ANY NATIONAL LEVEL ENTRANCE LIKE GATE OR UGC NET WITH GOOD SCORE?
If yes i would appreciate his views regarding research status in India.
If No, he should not be against fellowship increment.
As i have said earlier increment should be on conditional basis like setting up high standard publications n patent.Bi annually appraisal, more exchange programs in order to facilitate latest technologies of the first world.
ANSWERS
1.If Indian government increase the fellowship……… can any scholar guaranty to me that they will do good work ?
1. Yes definitely i will improve, if a major reform (including fellowship increment) is done in this area like i have written above and many more like facilitating better infrastructure and hassle free work flow n paper work, providing more opportunity to learn updated things from India as well from first world. Then definitely IT WILL IMPROVE A LOT RESEARCH N DEVELOPMENT SECTOR OF INDIA
2.If you qualify the NET and government should give enough money for that?.
I think most of government jobs require some kind of entrance examination as well interview, so as NET and GATE too, Doing PhD is like kind of working on deputation for 3-4 or more years. So how much master’s student is paid after clearing these exams , i guess lesser than a PEON (as per 6th pay). is this justified..??
3.How many product that we are use in daily life that come from our research?
I guess many of products we confront in day to day life. Do you know a lot of Indian guys working on Cancer and other disease medicine abroad, why because they do not have proper infrastructure and facilitation.There’s more examples of R& D sectors of different MNCs like GE, TCE etc where most of PhD student are hired for it and give a fruitful results. Then why not this during PhD because of lack resources and facilitation.
These all are my personal views not to hurt any one and respect views of others.
Lastly i would say to Mr. Gurumurthy , Can you afford to live nicely with family in 14000 Rs when prices of everything shooting up. If yes, i respect daring attitude.
Thanks for reading !!
Ashish
hey all it seems that u are thinking a lot about this, this is fa people who is againast to fellowship hike , some body says there should be no hike , sibal thinks reserach quality is poor in india, well sibal let me tell u some thing india ranks 9 in total of 140 countries in world , csir produces more then 300 phds every year , ur tube light, to biotvs, computers, gadgets,even detregents , nano composites(pu sole fa making chappals came from reserach).all industrial products comes only from research nt from the sky.i donno wat u think but i personally feel reserach only can do a possible country.u think getting 12000 is more fa a jrfs there are lot of people who move to foreign and do reserach bz they can not clr that. so ur subordinates (in terms of knowledge gets good life fa simple reason leaving contry).dont u think this is in justice .the avg time reaserch works in lab is much more then the highest authortive bodies , even the pm of india. its nt boses that does diff but its students rather. our csir is not mediocare its considerble tougher , if so not why do foreign universitys like NUS give u admission on basis of ur gate score .
the people who work the most in this country are researchers. hw can people justify it they should nt be paid , i was a csir jrf,gate jrf
but still pay fees of 40000 every year in nit calicut. wat does i get fa my hard work hostel bill will be 2500pm so wat i get to hand is 6000
hw can u justify that my hard work deserves 6000 rs when a car driver gets 15000 pm .
i sincerly belive the fellowship has to be hiked, bz wat is on offer is detoring a lot of talent from comming to reserach.
all the above views are my personal ones. thanks fa readig this
small corrections india ranks 9 in reserach in world, csir produces 300 patients every year
ignore
ye kya krne lg gye ho tum log…….just get out from this blog…..
Dear Amit Ranjan and Vikas Gupta.
RTI ka reply aaya ke nahi???
Plz dnt argue with each other ..rather be united and appeal. The fellowship must be increased…and specially, there should be a significant difference in the fellowship slab of a research scholar and research associate. because after completng ur phd degree u r holding a postion, so, it should carry its own dignity…..
Gurmurthy and others,
I don’t think it’s Kapil Sibal here (it’s some other Sibal) but yes it seems like people of rank and importance are reading this page which is a good thing by all accounts. When I had published this post my aim was to provide information as that RTI reply was rather unknown among the students.
I do not have any updates at the present time. I will update this page as and when I get the updates. I am really surprised this page has about 300 comments now! I am around but do not come here to comment often thanks to lack of time. I understand it is a lot of pain for everyone as it is a frustrating waiting period.
I do not believe that the present fellowships amounts are enough for students but I do not have the time to elaborate my views or get dragged in the debate.
Fellowship presentlly is not as our standard and needs, so it should be increased as soon as possible.
sorry, iam posting this not related to hike but i found this very interesting.
i agree with raghu, i think there must be some unique grading or rating system for all researchers regardless of their departments. iam not comparing but every where this is starting ex: infosys iRACE.
If any kind of rating is implemented then the researchers who works hard and has interest to go places will be benefited and needless to say in turn it benefits our research departments.
Dear Vikas and others,
Thanks for the reply vikas. In simple words, I am not for or against fellowship increment but I am bit con….ed about those who says 12,000 is not enough for living. Friends, it is fellowship.
In my opinion, researchers should ask for fellowship increment in terms of justice/equality and it should not be relate to price rise or personal/family financial problems. The researchers are neglected in all aspects by the government either it may be in fellowship increment or facility, allowances and so on..? The government is increasing salaries of other sector employees as and when but it is not doing anything for researchers. We should highlight these things. These negligence, in particular, are mostly impacting the RAs than JRF/SRF who are doing Ph D. I am extremely concerned about RAs (their age…?)
Mr. Ashish, your comment on and question to Mr. Sibal are extremely good.I am grateful. But, mine is self satisfaction attitude not daring. Misconception!? Gods forbid, If the government is firm in their decision not to increment the fellowship what will you do? can you afford to live with 14000 money or not? Do you give up?
If a high rank people read some fellow mates comment, they will definitely change his mindset! See someone expressed his desire to have meal at costly hotel and buying four wheeler as and when. Myself, researcher, is not agreeing with it then who will consider? What is fellowship?
I request government to give justice to researchers and maintain the equality because we are the backbones of Indian research and it is not the professors. If India ranks 9 in world research ranking and CSIR is producing 300 patents/annum means it is the sole contribution of young researchers and not the professors who are getting huge salary. By considering these things government should accept our request. We are asking for justice and equality!
Completely my personal opinion. No more comments from my side.
Thank you all.
Gurumurthy G P
Be the change you wish to see in the world!-M K Gandhi
CSIR directors’ apathy towards students.. !!!
“AAJ KA BETA DAAL KA PAPITA”….. These are the novel words of our kind
and generous CSIR Director General and were said to a group of
researchers who just went to enquire about the view and the current
status of fellowship increment.
Dated 24-2-2010 , a group of researchers representing from 6 different
educational institutions namely JNU, NII, DU, AIIMS, MAMC and IIT went
to meet CSIR-DG Prof. Sameer Bhramhachari through an appointment, to
ask about what is the current status of CSIR regarding this fellowship
increase announced by UGC chairman Dr. Thurrat. Unexpectedly Prof.
Bhramhachari was also accompanied by Head of HRDG, Dr. Luthra and
shushila khilnani.
During the initial discussion with Dr Luthra, he told us that there is
a proposal of this kind but he was not willing to say more. On being
asked about the fellowship delay time that the student faces, he
explained about the work pressure on HRDG dept. due massive number of
affiliated institutions. He told that mostly the delay is on the part
of respective institutions and not by HRDG. According to him if an
institution is willing then it has enough money to pay our monthly
stipends.
When Prof. Bhramhachari arrives, the first thing he asked about was
“MUJHE KISI NE METHAI NAHI KHILAYI PICHLI BAAR JAB FELLOWSHIP BADHAI”.
True, we apologized. When we asked him about the fellowship increase,
he told that he personally feels that we are getting more than enough
money to sustain ourselves during the period of PhD. He is a good
speaker therefore he lectured us a lot about what was there in 1974
and since then. We listened. There were several hot arguments during
this discussion. On hearing that a group student had come, Prof.
Bhramhachari thought that we were some political organization. Hence
he first enquired from each of us that what institution we belonged
and what fellowships were we availing. Then on hearing the view of a
JNU student, he says that “WAHA PE TO SAB LEFT HAI”. Amit Ranjan (JNU)
asked Prof. Bhramhachari, showing the RTI answer copies from UGC, CSIR
and DST, stating that UGC has already announced the fellowship
increase but not CSIR. To this Prof. Bhramhachari said that CSIR-HRDG
is the main body that conducts the NET exam and it lends some of the
fellowship to UGC. Ofnote, he says that UGC fellows are lower in
merit. Gopal jee Gopal (JNU) when tried to ask about the transparency
in the CSIR system as they did not respond to any of the RTI questions
satisfactorily, Prof. Bhramhachari said “TUMHARA NAAM KYA HAI, BATAO
MUJHE, MAIN TUMHARA KABHI APPOINTMENT NAHI HONE DOONGA”. To this Gopal
jee Gopal said that “MAIN AISI JAGAH JOIN HI NAHI KAROONGA JAHAN PAR
SYSTEM TRANSPARENT NAHI HOGA”. Then Prof. Bhramhachari said “you guys
don’t study and always say that increase fellowship……I dare you if any
one of you could answer my question in your respective fields”. One
resrearcher from NII, Arun upadhyay accepted his challenge but as
expected could not meet the requirements of our CSIR-DG. Then one of
our other colleague ANIS(NII) said to Prof. Bhramhachari that “Sir, we
all are Indians and I will ask 5 questions about India and you will
not be able to answer any one of them”. Round and round discussion
went for about two and a half hours.
Outcome of this meeting are as follows:
1) There is an proposal to increase the number of fellowships in this
financial year i.e. 2009-10.
2) There is an proposal to increase the amount of fellowships in the
next financial year i.e. 2010-11.
3) If passed then we could get the increased fellowship from 1st
April, 2010 onwards.
4) Nothing is certain.
We appeal to all researches of India to put hands together on this issue.
I do not understand why are you posting this article again. This article has been on display since March 11, 2010, 5:43 pm. It is painful read this discouraging article again and again.
Hey Vikas
You are doing a wonderful work. I am a Research scholar(JRF)from university of Kashmir. Is ther any latest news regarding hike inn the fellowship.
SAP
Hi Guys
check out this link
http://csir.res.in/External/Utilities/Frames/aboutcsir/main_page.asp?a=topframe.htm&b=leftcon.htm&c=/csir/external/heads/aboutcsir/information_act.htm
and compare what a senior NET/GATE qualified scholar is paid for 3-4 years for doing research.
and as per current pay scales , we can not even compare with Driver, plumber,mistry etc, government should create some more lower post , so we could compare our remuneration.
just review March 2010 Month Salaries\
447 Sh Ram Niwas MISTRY 27508 Rs
448 Ms Reena Kaur CATALOGUER 26997 Rs
450 Sh Mohinder Kumar GROUP II(5) 29450 Rs
451 Sh Nawab Singh DRIVER 30636 Rs
457 Sh Matru Lal Gautam ELEC PUMP OPR 26472 Rs
458 Sh Sukhbir Singh ELEC PUMP OPR 21414 Rs
459 Sh Yashpal Singh ELEC PUMP OPR 26472 Rs
460 Sh Jai Kishan ELEC PUMP OPR 26472 Rs
462 SHRI B.M. SAHOO PLUMBER 22539 Rs
463 Sh Santosh Kumar Rout PLUMBER 21414 Rs
464 Sh Vijay Kumar PLUMBER 26472 Rs
466 Sh Ashok Kumar Saini CARPENTER 26472 Rs
467 Sh H P S Rawat DATA ENTRY OPR 21008 Rs
Thanks
Ashish
Dear friends,
I am watching a tendency among u, to compare researcher with other profession by using the term “even” driver, “even” plumber……We should respect every profession.Everybody have different skill and capacity.we are lucky that our parents tried hard to ensure our higher education, but every body is not so lucky. We are demanding more amount to fulfill the needs of our family & ourselves( so that we can personally subscribe journals, can go in workshops,seminars here and there, can take care of our health better which will ultimately improve scientific research). so, i request 2 all of u to avoid using the term atleast “even”……thank u.
You are absolutely right..
Hi Vivek & Fellow
It was just to show disparity in terms of remuneration paid to us. It doesn’t mean to hurt dignity of any profession. I have all due respect to all professions mentions above and for me, no profession is smaller or bigger , its just the hard work that make each individual respected.
Sorry if it hurted by any of my word, but it was show disparity nothing else.
Thanks
I understand your point regarding the comparison. But this comparison probably cannot be made for research scholar with all others. Research is such a profession where in most of the cases you can do the job in the way you like (of course interference of supervisor sometimes good sometimes bad is involved) and you are paid for this. On the other hand any 10-4 office staff has to do what he is assigned for, and maintain the routine of process of doing work(funny thing is that only a few do that). Only different case is that of teachers. They have freedom in their work to some extent.
So there will be so many opinion against us if we just demand that “their salary is higher….why not ours??”. As far as I believe our demand should be very simple…The daily living cost is increasing fast, we have our liabilities, so increase the fellowship so that we donot have to think about income everytime…and we can work in peace.
Both ‘Ashish’ and ‘Fellow’ have raised valid points. Ashish is absolutely right when he compares and we see that since September 2008 a ‘Safaiwaala’ gets more remuneration than a JRF/SRF. But ‘Fellow’ is also right because Safaiwaala is a JOB, while JRF/SRF/RA is nothing but TRAINING. Safaiwaala gets SALARY, while JRF/SRF/RA gets STIPEND. Salary is ones right, while stipend is not. JOB means responsibility and accountability towards work (at least legally), while a TRAINEE is legally not responsible for outcome of work done- he is just a trainee.
So, most of the problems faced by ad-hoc laboratory workers (JRF/SRF/RA) is simply because their ‘work’ is not considered as work but a training assignment. So, they will always be at legal disadvantage and their problems are not going to solve for ever. Even if stipend is increased this time, their remuneration would never move in line with Safaiwaala, clerk or any other EMPLOYEE. A government employees’ SALARY automatically increases 3 times in a year (2 DA hikes and 1 annual increment) while JRF/SRF/RA stipend is revised in 3-6 years, that too after much brouhaha. So, this gap could never be filled.
So, ad-hoc laboratory workers should campaign for recognition of their service as real WORK to be compensated by real WAGES.
Here is some information not related to this issue.
I recently bought more than 120 books online from flipkart.com
Read this post for review/pics/suggestions if you want to buy books online sitting in your home/lab http://vikas-gupta.in/2010/03/27/having-bought-120-books-i-recommend-flipkart-com-to-buy-books-online-india/
if a person can avil ugc fellowship second time after complition of first Ph.D.
UGC NET now accepts online applications! See the site http://www.ugcnetonline.in/
Not interested
The MHRD and Finance ministry should resolve the matter as soon as possilble and friends, we people should be united to get our rights as Professors/Scientist are getting more than what was expected. then why the injustice with the scholars.let us make a joint forum. It can be named as National Resarch Scholar Association. The responsibility of those who are in national capital increases and are requested to meet
Hon’ble MHRD MINISTER SH. KAPIL SIBBAl.
PRESIDENT
Himachal Pradesh Research Scholar Association
Department of Biotechnology
HP UNIVERSITY
SHIMLA
Mobile:09418232858
isuppose wat chandra kanth sharama says is right, most of phd scholars in this country who are living with frustration, the problems strats from inadequate facilitys to giving fellowships and bosses beurocrcy
as responsible citizens of this country we need to end this beurocracy thats bleeding inidan reserach, we neeed some body to represent us and our voice has to be heardi sincerly plead all of u to think of it once
Dear frnds
We r group of 4 JRF working in DST sponsered project from 2007, our stipend was revised in april 2007 from 8000 +HRA to 12000 + HRA but still we are getting 8000 + HRA, as DST has not released the increased money,its almost 3 years and we have pending amount of 2 lakhs Rs, many times leter has been sent to DST but till now we didnt get any reply from DST. can some one suggest how to approach DST for release of increase funds.
thank you
What is your supervisor doing ???????? He should write to DST..
he wrote once by email ,they replied they will give but its almost 3 years now and he dont want to do anything further. he is not cooperative,now we have to something.
It is really frustrating that u are not getting the increased fellowship till now when we are talking about another increment. But in my view it is not good to take the matter solely on your hand, since at every step of getting a grant a strong involvement/participation of supervisor is necessary. Hope you also understand that. Ans any governing body will not entertain you unless your guide is there. So in my opinion, whatever the relationship with him may be try to pressurize him. Its difficult but is the only way out. In the meantime you can apply for some RTI etc. But it will always be a strongpoint for you if the “BOSS” is there.
Hope for the best for you guys.
You are right but how long we can wait, he dont want to take any action, even when we asked him last time he told “Dont bug my head” its very frustrating now. we are planning to fill RTI but if we ask him he will never allow as to do that as he has his reputation concern with DST fellows.
hii ,
i wana ask tat if im working as a lecturer on adhoc basis..n i hv cleared my net n JRF too …den wat next would be my step??? i mean should i continue my lecturership in the same college if they allowed me or shd i go for PHd??? cos it is said tat ur nt suppose to work while doing ur phd is tat a myth or its true?? plz suggest me or guide me genuinely.
waiting 4 ur comments ..
You obviously should go for PhD, since you have qualified for JRF. otherwise you can miss the bus. You can come back to lectureship after PhD with better opportunity/salary etc. As far as the new UGC regulations are concerned doing a PhD and a job parallel is impossible.
Look, very few of the total students can clear NET, u are one of them so take and utilize the opportunity.Otherwise you will mourn in future. After 28 you are not eligible for JRF. And good Professors will not take you as his/her fellow if the gap between your MSc and beginning of research is higher.
If you were working as a permanent position then the situation would be different. Now I think that doing a PhD will be a shift from one Adhoc job to another with higher and better possibilities.
Anyway you didn’t mention whether your college authority will make u permanent faculty or not, and your current salary structure, whether it is less/higher than JRF’s.
Best of luck.
One small thing that I forgot to mention even you want to do a PhD with your job parallel, you have to do course work and all other things that are in the new UGC regulations. And you canot apply for the fellowship then.
Anu,
It depends upon you what you want from your life? But continuing lecturereship with Phd will help you lot in your carrier and challenging . There are provisions under which you can do both.
But if you want to do research only and your age allow you for that then try to crack competition of good instiute of your interest and try to achieve your dream.
Amit Ranjan.
dhhgcy
Hi,
Will the engg phd students also get increased stipend of 21k? (i mean if increased)
is there any good news for us from csir?
what happened…………its first april……..increased or not ?
tomorrow april , so whether announcement will come or foolish us by april first
Its not a film release, dont expect the increment near by
As the increment is not happening by tomorrow (April 1st), the next possible date is September 1st. So, till then we should just relax and continue doing our research…..
Dear Akhilesh
Please write a letter to Dr. Vinod Kumar in DST about your problem. Please also demands 14000 after two year research experiance and claim as SRF. May you write me the duration of project. Are you working in same DST project from joining? Its the problem of your Boss really. He should talk them in next project progress presentation in DST evaluation commette. But do not confused and talk your boss openly.Kahi aap ki grant hi kam to nahi aa rahi. Please keep the contact with Vinod kumar (DST)
Offcourse we will get the incresed salary. But its not easy procedure for all govt. agencies to do these thing so fast. So wait and watch.
These So called politicians like Mr. Kapil Sibal and Prof Brahmachari ( though he is a scientist by profession) are enjoying salary above 1L and the original researchers like us are surviving on mere 15600/-.
I have a solution: Please Read It Carefully.
Lets all bring out observation books and have a bonfire at JNU or IARI.. which one suits all of us. Let all the research go to shit.
When we can work hard and pass exams like GATE and NET then we can excel in any field.
Lets Burn this corrupt fabric! Let us all piss on their face and drain this hole system to shithole.
And I challange Dr. Brahmachari that pit any PI with his SRF regarding their ongoing research and whoever wins swaps the salary with other! ARE YOU READY Mr. Bramhachari to compete with your SRF (If any)??
And about me …I am moving to private sector as I couldnt get my leg operated after an accident with this stipent..and I dont want to face the same situation in future…
I am Waiting for your and Mr. Brahamachari and Mr. Sibal..If you have got those balls then face me …Lets have a talk…
Sorry for few mistakes !!! I was infuriated…and typed fast…But I hope you get the gist of it!!! The challenge is still open!!
hi guys ,
though not about fellowship increment I want some kind information from u folks .
I came to know from todays newspaper that HRD has ordered UGC TO ANNOUNCE NET /SET AS MINIMUM qualification for the appointment of assistant prof in colleges without implementing its previous stands.
………….is it true ??
if yes then what will happen to those who r doing Ph.d, according to UGC new cirrcular regarding course work etc., after qualifying GATE / JEST /NBHM AND OTHER NATIONAL LEVEL EXAMS .
And what’s the fate of those who had already completed their Ph.d s
even before UGC new regulation ?
…once again I would like to mention that though this dias is ddedicated to the information regarding fellowship increment I FIND NO OTHER WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH U guys ……………plase post if u any news regarding it.
Those who are doing phd or has completed it…should move out of this country…If they want to support their family….they must look for better paying jobs..Let brahamachari and Sibbal handle the research on their own….Go ABROAD …LIVE LIFE TO FULLEST…
Don’t get so frustrated friend. Always hope, because “hope is a good thing maybe the best thing, and no good thing ever dies.”Always keep hope.
Mr IQ you are right … this is the link for the order from HRD to UGC. This page from TOI today.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/HRD-Dont-exempt-anyone-from-NET/articleshow/5744155.cms
thanks a lot Girish…..but still I am confused as the report didn’t describe it clearly.
Any good news today
Hi.
Ist. April is over. Has MHRD come up with something regarding enhancement in the fellowship. IS it that all of us have been befooled?
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Hii,
Is there any update about the CSIR fellowship?
Hello,
Sorry for the cross posting!
Can research scholar apply for AICTE travel grant to attend international conference? Which are the funding agencies give travel grant to research scholars?
Thanking you in anticipation
Gurumurthy G P
JRF MIT
Guru I am not sure about AICTE. But DST and CSIR give travel grant for case on case basis for international conference. check dst.org and http://www.csirhrdg.res.in/tg.htm for details..
But ya the number selected may be less…
cheers
Prithivi
sorry frnd i think my indian goverment has donated all money to improve afganistan infrastructure and to bangladesh minister s.k. hasina above 1 bln. dollar to improve relationship…..now they are trying to purchase some advance fighter plane from russia…how can we expect about the fellowsp increament….?? sibbal is busy to import foreign university….these are knowledgeable illiterate people they dont know how to improve our own science and technology….education system….lets see when and how much..???
I am student at IIT M. Is there any CSIR fellow who worked as student here at IITM. I want to know about the procedure for commensement of fellowship amount… I am badly in need..
Friends I heard from one of my friend that yesterday there was a meeting of UGC members at IISC regarding the fellowship hike. But I could not get any further information. But it it is sure that a meeting was there.
Keep on post.
ok grisg, ask your friend about further information
i think the meeting could be for the hike in number of fellowship not amount of fellowship…..
no..it may be regarding fellowship only
dear nitt u will have alot of people in iitm
with csir u can consult ur seniors i supoose they can help
u
thanks
Hi Guys !!!
1 April 2010 is over as well 1 April 2015-16-17 and so on will also be over and nothing gonna happen with government of India or research scholars in India. It’s better to try to finish your PhD as soon as possible and get scientific job in India and start doing bureaucracy.
There what present elder generation of PhD awardees doing in India. In other words, all new research is on shoulder of generation ONLY. They just like to corruption bureaucracy and paper work that’s all. And one more point, I would like to mention , after getting job in scientific institution, lick the feets of corrupt politician to get a favour to achieve to a bureaucratic job advisor of being scientific council etc and stop research.
That would give you more POWER and MONEY, which is main AIM of our elder scientific community. I wish to GOD our scientific elder should like who create history in terms of research n guide to younger generation.
Thanks for reading!!
Ashish
Hi Guys
I think the Govt. Of India should atleast assure us as to what is their dicision regarding increment in fellowship. Two questions.
when are they going to implement and how much would be the fellowship.
Giving the arriers late by about a month or so is not a problem
but assurance is a problem.
Its long since it was being first disclosed on 18th of august 2010 Hindustan times.
now new financial yrs.(april)started but there are no such news about fellowship hike….thats mean up to next financial yrs. there are no chance of hike…..so frnd lets forget about this….it will be better if we try for other jobs…or lets try to foreign institute(1st yrs. and 2nd yrs.)….and yeah i have read the lecture given by our prime minister last day in pune NCL….he wants indian reseach sholar to be more innovative and announced this upcoming 10 yrs. as year of innovation in india….dont he know whats the ammount the goverment give us??? because he has done his ph.D most probably from OXFORD thats why i think he dont know what injustice is taking palace with indian research scholar….
I am persuing Phd in Hindi from Hp university shimla. Iam a Rgnf holder. fellowship is increasing or not to Rgnf scholars, kindly inform me. iam availing a fellowship only for four years,if i extend my research work for one year. i can get fellowship for five year.
i quite,,,,,,,,
Dear Amit/Vikas,
Please update us with the current situation of Fellowship Increment.
http://kapilsibalmp.com/contact.aspx
Hei guys this is the link to the official website of Kapil Sibal, here we can post our query about the stipend hike.
You can try this but probably it will do no good. I have already done it twice 15-20 days before but still no reply
He may not reply, but, if everybody start posting he might realize the importance of the mater. I dont know…. just a wild hope.
Yes right, keep petitioning them. Let them be flooded with our mails. Also write to the president of India here http://helpline.rb.nic.in/
And write to UGC chairman, CSIR chairman and others. Let them read our mails all the time!
The senior old guard of science in India sucks. There are so many faculty members in India everywhere that exploit students and researchers in so many ways (you know what it means)!!!!!
It is his email address, kapilsibal@hotmail.com. It is there in one of the conversations in his site. Can we send to his email address? Reminder (twice a week?)!
Gurumurthy G P
Why not we all the research fellows in India as much (as we can reach) sign on a common letter and send it to The Honorable President, prime minister and cc to Mr kapil Sibal, Finance minister and so on. I mean a doc file with all of our names and affiliation there. I mean everybody can put his/her name and forward it to their research scholar friends. After 1week or so the final copy will be sent to the president, PM.
Very good idea. We can do that, first we will write a letter and send it to at least one student of all the research institutes, IITs and universities. After getting there names and affiliations we can send it to respective persons.
Very good idea. let us make a doc file and attach that to this blog.
every one can sign with their details and then forward to the concerned individuals.
Great idea.
Please initiate.
is it really true that NET/SLET wont be exempted from those who already are awarded PhD
guys….its very good idea to send emails to mr. sibbal. I have sended the message to him as well as posted on president’s website….keep sending until it reaches 1000…
Dear All,
I am quite happy to inform you all that DST has announced their revision of emoluments and revised guideline for the research fellowship.
Plz visit the following link(DST web site) for details:
http://www.dst.gov.in/whats_new/main-new.htm and then click the “DST Research Fellowship Enhanced”.
See this It has increased finally I think:
https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B3AWm-KaAYgEMTdhZDJhODMtNDJmNi00NDkyLWFlMTMtMWVkOTM2ZDQ4NTRh&hl=en
but I am not NET qualified, getting 14,000+HRA,(from DOS; Department of Space) and is in third year of my research.What will be my fate?
I am not sure that it is authentic. its not there at DST websites the way other DST OMs are hosted there.
did anybody call DST office?
congrate to all……
This Cheating by Government. Earliar they said that fellowship will be 18 and 21k But now they have announced only 16 and 18 k.
Absolutely Cheating by Goverment.
http://www.dst.gov.in/whats_new/whats_new10/fellowship10.pdf
Also the date is from 1. 4. 2010! What a shame! Fortunately it says UGC and CSIR can follow the guidelines.
where is the 50% hike…huh….
anyway,, cheers to all!!!!!!
Cheers DST fellows !!!!….
dun no wat is da fate of UGC?
hi!!!!!!
is it really true……..what about csir-jrf is it applicable to them also
This DST Memorandum is highly ambiguous and a bad news for non-UGC researchers.
1. While UGC JRF and SRF are 18,000 and 21,000 respectively, non-UGC JRF/SRF will get lower stipend of 16000 and 18000.
2. While UGC JRF/SRF will get arrears from 1st Sept 2009, non-UGC JRF/SRF would receive enhanced stipends from 1st April 2010.
Please note that UGC has given above information in writing under Right to Information Act 2005, hence it cannot backtrack from it, lest it would become illegal in a court of law.
3. The memorandum says that fellowships has been hiked only for NET qualified JRFs and SRFs who are registered for PhD. It is completely silent about stipend of non NET qualified and/or fellows who are engaged in projects and not registered for PhD
4. (i) 2 point of memorandum is ambiguous and it seems there is a typing error and the word NOT between who have…and…NET qualified is missed by the typist. Otherwise points (i) 1 and (i) 2 are semantically same. Both pertain to Post graduate degree holding JRF/SRF registered for PhD with NET qualification. Same qualification, but different stipends. How come?
5. Raw deal for RAs as they were expecting a 50% hike as indicated by UGC. It would be interesting to see, if UGC RA is now increased by 50% or follows DST guidelines. Please note that UGC had not given in writing the new rates for RAs.
hi Mr. Bharatiya ,
where you got this memorendum of DST ….is it available in their site
please give the supporting link….
Mr.Bharatiya you are telling fellowship is different for Net and non-net students,they didnt mentioned in OM,then how you are telling, pls answer me
A correction.
1.Please ignore # 4 of my previous comment. There is no typing mistake in OM. Point (i) 2 of memorandum seems to be about NET qualified students who have not cleared JRF exam, who are not Project JRF, but registered for PhD. Such students would get a lower stipend of 12000/14000.
2. OM is NOT silent about non-NET qualified candidates. On its first page (last but one para) it is clearly written that earlier provision of engaging non-NET candidates as JRF/SRF is withdrawn.
So, non NET candidates CAN NOT be given JRF/SRF position in govt funded projects and hence no mention about their stipend in this OM. But please note that non-NET candidates can still be engaged as ‘Research Assistants’, about which DST has given revised guidelines recently (available on DST website)
The memorandum has 2 good points!
6. One good point for RAs: This memorandum has exempted their stipend from Income tax under Section 10(16). More take home stipend!
7. Another good point: All fellows upgraded to 2nd AC travel entitlement from previous Sleeper.
hi bharatiya,
is this applicable for csir-jrf as well…plz tell me
well
the pdf fellowship10, though released by DST, it clearly says “This OM is applicable to the research personnel working on R&D programs funded by the central government departments / agencies” (read the line just before the table for JRF in the first page). Does this means it is applicable for all departments / funding agencies? I hope so because so far there were no difference in the stipend / fellowship between different agencies.
Also regarding 2nd AC fare there is absolute confusion for me. it says travel entitlement will continue as before i.e. 2nd AC. but before it was 3rd AC i guess. (In my institute they provided me with 3rd AC and I am a research scholar only. But general government recomendation may be sleeper as mentioned by a fellow researcher)
DST is directly under the Ministry of Science and Technology, Government of India. DST gives the guidlines for all the bodies like CSIR, UGC, DBT etc. You can see the point no 12 in the OM.
This clearly indicates that what ever is announced by DST now will be the final for all the governing bodies like CSIR, UGC, DBT Etc. They have to follow the guidline of DST. And cannot give more than that even if they have announced before. So I think this is final for all…
Link of OM :http://www.dst.gov.in/whats_new/whats_new10/fellowship10.pdf
http://www.dst.gov.in/whats_new/main-new.htm
U r r8 Mr. Rajesh but i differ a bit… DST in UNDER GOI Ministry of S&T but CSIR n UGC are autonomous bodies. So its not that they must follow. The ponint just says “may follow” and not will / must follow.
But the fellowship for various Ph.D.s will be same… we will be discriminated only whn compared to the sweepers n safaiwalas but we wont be discriminated among ourselves i.e. all researchers will get the same fellowship unles funded by pvt bodies / foreign univs.
This is How DST makes guidlines for the all schemes of Central Government Departments/Agencies:
General Information on Research & Development Funding Schemes of Central Government Departments/Agencies
http://203.200.89.92/dst/r&d_funding/rdfs.htm
DST Gives guidlines to these institutes and by following these guidlines these institutes issues their own OM. This is the Process.
Recently given guidlines can be found at-
http://203.200.89.92/dst/stsysindia/rdfs1.htm
DST reviews these guidlines time to time and keep updating it.
shameless Indian government…as always like to harass qualified persons in every aspect…nothing surprising…nothing new…this is the biggest cheating by our gov..and we have nothing to do without accepting it happily…thank you.
Dear friends
these old generation scientists who got important and responsible posts in a noncompetitive environment do not understand the real problems. What they really do is to ride the shoulders of students and enjoy salaries and timely promotions.
You know, a dog is always fed better than a bullock or a horse although the latter is more in terms of worthyness. Let us just forget about being horse/bullock of indian research, they treat us like donkeys who should be paid less otherwise we could support our self or our families. unfortunately, they do not realize that, in our prime twenties, we ( the kids doing PhD…. as they say !)also have responsibilities and passions to fullfil. so any hope from these dumb headed people is not there anyway.
They cry when all trained brain from India seeks to work abroad after a poorly funded PhD and bakwaas projects in India. A shame to the system.
I am not sure that the OM from DST is real or not. even if it is true, the amounts given there in the OM are less than what a fucked up BSC pass tech assistant would get in central gov. jobs. just think we should be paid equivalant to entry level salary of a scientist B, as the qualifications are same.
I just hope we all wake up and make this loud that GOOD RESEARCH COULD COME ONLY IF THE WORK HORSES OF INDIAN RESEARCH ARE FED WELL.
Mr. YK
U R RIGHT BOTH IN LANGUAGE AND IN LOGIC .
Mr YK you are absolutely right. Unfortunately many (almost) research students don’t know what we should have and what not. Do you know how these sleeping people will arise?
is there any differeNce IN stipend for NET AND NON-NET STUDENTS
can some one say whether this fellowship is applicable for people working under projects funded by DAE-BRNS. What if the project fellow does not have cleared NET